Wednesday, May 13, 2009

what to do when your husband leaves you

1. be in shock
2. feel horrible, sad, angry, hurt, bewildered, confused, scared, desperate, and sick.
3. enjoy the extra space in the bed, but wonder why when you and he bought sheets together a couple of weeks ago he bothered to pick a color, instead of letting you pick both colors, since in a couple of weeks they'd just be your sheets anyways.
4. do the dishes and sweeping and other chores with insane frequency. this insures that a) you never have a giant insurmountable dish or laundry pile to tackle while you are in complete pain and b) that you always have something to do with yourself and c) that you don't totally sink into a dirty, dog hair, dish-piled, linty, puking, unfunctional (yeah, i just coined that word) depression. at least your depression will be clean and free of literal debris.
5. you will find that even with your chore vigilance, there is much too much time in the day. so...clean your house of all that stuff you've been putting off getting rid of. put his stuff into garbage bags or boxes and stack it some where out of the way. i like to do this part in little bursts and stages by just doing a box from here or there (if like me you have a lot of stuff in boxes that you were going to go through someday--the day is here!). this is a good thing to do for a couple of reasons...if you have suddenly become a single mom of three, including a toddler, you are going to have to go to school funded by lots and lots of grants and loans or you are going to have to get a shit-paying, time-sucking job very soon (or both! ugh). when this happens, you will not have time for several years to deal with all that stuff and you will feel it weighing on you and looming above you and it will be hard to feel excited by your new life because your home will be heavy with all the shit you have to do. so do some of it now, while you have all this time that you can't sit or be still for long without crying and getting yourself all screwed up with no decent result. it feels good, is satisfying, is functional, is practical, and you and your home will feel better for it. and, most importantly, it uses up the time.
6. feel overwhelming hope and gratitude for the situation because if he would do this to you, he is a fucked up dick anyways and once all this horrible sadness and pain clears and heals, you will be a better person. your house will be a happier, more peace-filled place, and that will be good for you and your kids. the goodness part comes in the future and right now you have to operate on a cocktail of logic and faith. it makes sense even though you might feel like begging him to stay.
7. beg him to stay. when it doesn't work, reaffirm that you were right about that gratitude and hope. of course you were, you are always right!
8. hug your kids a lot and let them cry. tell them it's okay to feel anything they feel and you are there for them to talk to, hug, cuddle, be angry with, play games, watch movies....whatever they need. also let them know that they can call grampa, gramma, auntie, and friends to talk. let them know that they can ask you anything and everyone who loves them is there for them if they need anything, even if they want to just talk to someone about you, because it's okay if they are angry with you, or feel you did something to cause the situation. feel proud when your eleven year old says she doesn't blame anybody, but just feels so sad.
9. while you are having these conversations with your kids who have just been abandoned by the man they love and who promised to take care of them forever...you might feel a rage and hatred toward him that makes you want to beat his face to a bloody pulp and then stab it. let the feeling happen, and then let go of it because it just takes energy away from you if you hold onto it. the feeling will probably return the next day when you are having the horrible crying pain with your kids again. repeat process of letting the feeling happen, and then letting it go.
10. you will have moments of rage and resentment because you are being left to do the job of two parents all by yourself. you will think about how unfair and shitty it is of him, because your life is set up the way it is because you both agreed for it to be that way. deal with it. don't cling to the rage and resentment. what he's done is unfair and wrong and also stupid--but so what? don't let his idiocy ruin you.
11. remind yourself to love yourself and to take care of yourself. it's fine to be shitty to your body for a few days--you may be inclined to drink a lot of wine, beer, or whiskey and smoke too much. okay. do that for two or three days, and then get back to normal. get on your bike. take the kids to the park. if you can afford it, get a massage. if you can afford it, get a massage every week or month for the rest of your life. if you can't afford it, save your pennies until you can and in the meantime accept all the hugs people will offer you when they find out your husband left. feel them. don't let go too fast. these hugs are like plugging yourself into something that makes you light up, they restore energy.
12. you will probably be unable to sleep properly. if this happens longer than a couple of days go to the doctor's office and tell him your husband just left you and your three kids and you can't sleep and you need something to help you sleep so that you can function and cope. hopefully he is a nice and kind doctor who will probe you for how you're doing and give you tissues and say it's fine to cry. he will give you a short-term prescription for ambien. take them the way you are supposed to and be on the lookout for side effects. do this even if you normally don't take pills--this is what modern medicine is for. this is an acute trauma.
13. if you haven't done it yet, call a therapist of some kind and set up an appointment. guiding people through trauma is their job, they have tools and they know things you don't. it will be easier for you to do all the *stuff* you have to do to set up your new life if you utilize this resource. you will be less likely to slip into a horrible depression that you don't see. it will help you stay on track.
14. vacillate between emotions and feelings and desires. but don't tell them all to your husband. they will change a hundred times a day.
15. try to remember that he is wounded and broken. that a sane and healthy person would not do this. try to have compassion for him and know that he is doing the best he can with what he has. do not try to take care of him, but try to have compassion quietly in your heart. this is for you. resentment and anger that are not allowed to pass through us, but rather encouraged to stay, will poison you. you didn't ask for this or want it, but it's happening and you will be okay some day--some day will come sooner if you acknowledge the angry feelings and let them go.
16. you will have friends reveal themselves to you. people that you know on a casual but regular basis will quickly learn of what's happened. allow them to commiserate with you. talk to them about it. you didn't do anything wrong and have nothing to hide or be ashamed of. they might offer you help, hugs, childcare, tea, etc. you might feel like not taking them up on it because of this or that reason you make up in your head. don't let yourself do that. thank them for revealing themselves to you in this way, and for offering help. call them and let them help you. you are building friendships that will strengthen your new life. you will be able to reciprocate some day. accept everything you can, even if you have to force yourself. you need the help, there is no getting around that. so accept their offers with grace (and yes, you can have grace while you are blubbering and wearing the same shirt for three days and smell like cigarettes and pain). thank god and the universe for the people in your life who support you, and thank the people.
17. just keep going. you will get through it.
18. if you have kids, make sure to facilitate good times for them if they want them. there is no reason for them to wallow in complete misery. doing this will also help you to not wallow. good times are good times. rent movies and plant seeds and take care of your pets and your house together.
19. figure out what you're going to do to pay your mortgage, electricity, gas, phone, internet, dog food, etc bills. yes, it's overwhelming and if you think too long on it, you might start crying. cry. then go back to figuring it out. if at all possible figure out a way to survive that involves doing something that you love. your life is transforming now, you will be creating something different than what you had. this is an opportunity to create something you will love and enjoy. if you have been a homemaker for your entire adult life, go back to school if at all possible--you will be able to meet new people, learn new skills, and be better prepared to take care of a family and all the attached responsibilities than if you just panic and run out and get a job any job. ideally you will be creating a life where you don't just survive, but also thrive.
20. try to eat something.

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Nancy said...

Good morning, ladies--

Colleen, love the mental image I'm getting of you in the little black dress and high heels on a scooter. It sounds like you are having a blast--so wonderful to read about the fun that is finally finding you. You deserve it! Go, girl! (6 inch heels--really? I fell on my bottom wearing 1-1/2 inch wedges. I admire your balance!)

Poppy, thanks for the explanation on how the court thing is working out. Do you know that other than jury duty, I have never set foot in a courtroom--and I had never even met with a lawyer once in all of my 49 years until I had to in December to go over divorce papers? Guess I've been very sheltered my entire life--it's all been fairly easy and routine up to this point. I wonder if HE just ignored all of the papers served to him thinking if he didn't show up nothing would happen. What? You say the world didn't stop when he failed to show up? Doesn't the world know of his importance?! :)

Cathy and Happy Mom, you two keep going in the right direction. Sorry about the quicksand, Cathy--it's a bad place to stand and really hard to get out of. I bet if all of us work together, though, that we can pull you out of it and set you back on solid ground. You hang in there, Julie--we need you to plan the fun events, remember. We'll help you find the fun in it--although I'm thinking you have a hidden storage of fun waiting to be released when the time is right. HM, try to take a break from the books now and then--fill us in on how the classes are going, ok?

Oh, Poppy--I almost forgot. I tried to look him up on Facebook. There are a ton of men with that name, but I think I may have found him. Are the first few pictures of him, her, and another man holding wine glasses? Is there another of him on a trampoline--a big class photo--and a black and white old family pic? Only reason I thought it might be him is that the lady in the picture with him really does have eyebrows that make you sit up and say "WHOA!" I didn't see a family photo, though--could only see profile pics. Is this the right guy or is there another woman out there with eyebrows that would cause traffic to screech to a halt? If not him, let me know and I'll try again.

Happy Sunday, girls--
Nancy

Nancy said...

Welcome, EJ. You're never too late to join us, but I'm really sorry you had to find this site only because it means you are experiencing a tough time in your marriage. Yes, you are young and can bounce back, but that doesn't mean your hurt is any less than anybody else's. I'm sorry it hit you out of the blue, but if you have read any of the posts on here, you will be stunned to realize how often that happens to women. I found it staggering to read the number of stories that were so similar to my own...shocking and yet sort of comforting at the same time.

You do deserve to know what happened if he can ever tell you. That's the hard part, isn't it? You're going along thinking everything is great--could be better in some ways, but then what relationships don't go through ups and downs--and then he hits you with the fact that he's not happy and feeling empty. I'm sure you were in shock and still probably feel like you are walking around in that fog.

He's unhappy, but has he said anything other than that? Are you sure it's at the point where you need to consider separation rather than counseling--or is that not an option he is willing to consider? If he won't go for counseling, you may want to consider speaking with a counselor just for you--it does help to sort out the feelings and just gives you somebody neutral to bounce thoughts off of.

As for the diet pepsi and cough drops, it sounds like he does still care for you and want to make you feel better. Maybe he's not so deadset on separate lives as it feels like to you at the present. It sounds like a fairly new situation for you and maybe it is something that will work out over the next few weeks. I wouldn't be in a huge hurry to move out quite yet unless you know for sure that staying will make it worse. Focus on YOU and what YOU need now and don't feel like you are being selfish. You need to protect yourself emotionally and financially, but keep in mind that what feels hopeless one day may very well change for the better the next.

Hang in there and if you need to talk or vent, you have come to a place that is full of very loving and supportive women who have walked very parallel paths. They have been lifelines to me at times when it felt like I was falling apart and they picked me up, dusted me off, and helped me get back on the right track again. Get yourself well again and see how things feel when you're able to look at it with a clear mind. We're here for you whenever you need a friendly place to come.

Take care of yourself--
Nancy

Anonymous said...

Nancy - that is him:) ugh.

Maybe you can't see our family photo because it is on my facebook and he is tagged in it. I have it hidden. Who knows.

What can I say? How can he even look at her:) She is older than me, too..did I mention that? She has a son the same age as mine. The kid sitting on his lap is our nephew.

I still try to consider her a blessing in disguese. She is distracting him and keeping him focused on those eyebrows and not on custody of our kids. He goes to Paris with her next weekend.

....and, life goes on.

I hosted a birthday party for my 5 year old daughter yesterday. 11 of them...manicures and pedicures in our local salon, then a pinata and cake in the park. So fun.

Hope everyone had a great weekend!

Poppy

E.J said...

Hi Nancy,

Thanks for the kind words. I have read almost every single post on here and it made me physically ill. Where do these guys get off? The sad thing is, they will never find true happiness. They think they're so "unhappy" and that they'll find themselves and their happiness? It is comical.

As far as my special case goes, he has always kept his feelings inside. I've actually known him since childhood, that's the real hard part. But, yeah, he keeps EVERYTHING in and to boot, he doesn't believe in counselors or help of any kind. He believes that marriage should be "drama free". That's one of the only things he's said to me, is that he's tired of the drama and recurring issues. But, it seems so simple to me...obviously they're recurring because we never address them. When issues come up, he doesn't want to talk about them. Eventually, we do move forward...but of course that's only temporary. He has always acted as if he is single in this relationship. So, this decision of his shouldn't really be a shock.

Like I said before, he's all I know. My first everything and I'm kicking myself now for never doing things for myself. In particular, financial and education. I know it isn't too late...but it is like I have to reprogram my brain. I had such a different idea of how my future was going to be.I'm a pretty tough cookie (borderline man thinking) and I'm honestly...devastated.

You're right, it is very soon. But, I know him. He's done. He's shut me out completely. When I ask him does he want to separate separate or trial? He can't answer. Sooo, I'm left to believe he doesn't want this anymore. I'm trying not to be naggy and come off desperate. This is the pits...

Thanks for listening to me vent. I'm very ashamed with this. I've only told my mom and my girlfriends. I am humiliated!

Anonymous said...

Oh sweetie it makes me sooo sad to hear that you feel humiliated and yes I understand that feeling too well. I'm Cathy ... was married for 31 years etc etc but I know what it is like to all of a sudden feel the rug pulled out from underneath you and then look in the mirror and say ... who am I? It is so scarey ... you just want to vomit. There are no easy answers ... but there is friendship and love and there are some very special people on this site who are here to listen and support you through this process. By now you know that sometimes we get through this with humour. It beats crying ...

Colleen ... you have just extended your services at the spa / resort ... you are now in charge of runway walking in heels ... please supply walkers for those of us who are balanced impaired ... me me me ... also Poppy you must do some esthetics in eyebrow waxing and Colleen there is no way you are getting near my bikini line ... nope no way ... Colleen did you take ballet lessons or something to be able to walk in heels like that ... is there room for orthotics in the runway class???

Still in a bit of a funk ... just feel like I'm on hold ... the ex never got back to the judge to the best of my knowledge ... typical irresponsible lazy idiot that he is ... it hope the judge comes down on him ... but somehow I doubt it ... my rant for the moment ...

Thanks ladies for making me smile ... and E J ... welcome little one ... age doesn't matter when your hurt ...

Sending love to all
Cathy

Unknown said...

Welcome EJ to our mad group of girls - so, he's decided he's in a rut has he? Not fair! I have no doubt he cares for you but is confused right now...
Here's the thing: men get married and all is wonderful in the beginning, while we as women become more secure in our marriages, they at some point start getting bored and wonder what they are missing out on - again - not fair!
So I would suggest as the other girls have - try and see a counsellor if you can get him there, as he is obviously not a talker - but he owes you this much - after 8 years together you have the right to know.
Another thing - and this is the hard part - change yourself completely by doing different things with your appearance, attitude and outings. Instead of hanging your head with fear in your eyes, hold your head up high - know that you are worthy and beautiful and show him.
We are all with you and are here anytime to chat.
take care
love
Colleen

Unknown said...

Hi girls
Poppy - you are one smart cookie babe - you will be the victor and he will still be scratching his head wondering what happened ... well done - all prayers are with you on Wednesday. Will google f/book as soon as I get a chance.
Cathy - my darling darling friend who has brought me through my darkest days - I would not be here today if it were not for you - its ok to sink a little, but just a little because I know that tomorrow you will be Cathy again ... and I will do the brazilian on you one day - just need a bit of practice first!
Nancy, you are our shining star and always keep us rolling about on the floor.
Happy Mom - are you ok? just know you are always with us.
My Sunday went as follows: was spoilt rotten - went cruising around on Harley - long dress this time - too hot for jeans - went to beach bar - yes, right on the beach with band playing - thought I was in Jamaica! Bearing in mind I looked like a frog in my big sunglasses with osteoporisis on the back of the bike clinging for dear life.
Now girls - a Harley Davidson does NOT HAVE any room for a handbag - so, no hairbrush, no makeup - spot the mistake here? Fine when you are 20 but not in your 40's!
On a more serious note - seems too good to be true that he is so besotted. I could end this and go back to where I was or just take each day as it comes - I'm getting scared now.
love you all
Colleen

E.J said...

Hello Ladies,

I find myself on this site more than I find myself getting out of bed or remembering to eat.

Cathy and Colleen, I hope to find the strength that you two have. It is so fresh that it seems like it will take forever to get to where you are. I know, in time it will. With your suggestions, I know things will get better, they have to!

We have so much history (since 5 years old)...I can't believe he could do this. I mean, put the marriage asside, where did my FRIEND go?

I'm lucky that I have a huge family...excuse me, a huge dysfunctional family full of comedians. I have great friend's and a WONDERFUL boss! I have a lot to be happy about, I suppose. And now, you ladies, who can give me guidance. I appreciate you!

Colleen, I wanted to say about getting help...fat chance, on his part. That doesn't mean I can't though. Some people are set in their ways and think they can do everything on their own. That's my husband. So, as much as I wish that was a possibility, I know it won't happen.

I feel like Diane Keaton in "Something's Gotta Give" when she wakes up every morning and cries. That's what I have been doing for the last few days. Gee, I hope it passes. Not to mention, the lack of sleep...gggggrrrr! I LOVE to sleep and on the weekends, that's what I look forward to most. Ummmm...hasn't happened.

I hope to laugh at this someday.

Until Next Time,

Diane Keaton ;-(

Unknown said...

Hey Dianne
You will get thru this girlfriend - in June this year I will be 2 years down this road as will Cathy. How have we survived - with a great and sick sense of humour - we are both totally dysfunctional - but have carried each other through all - at times it's been really rough - but we are survivors as you are.
Glad to hear you have a bunch of comedians around you - exactly what you need.
Yes, he may be set in his ways - but what is meant to be will be - remember this: When a rock has been placed in your life, you can stumble and fall or you can use it as a stepping stone .... and you have been guided to this site where we will take care of you to the best of our ability.
take care, our new friend.
love
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Diane,

Go to the Dr. Get some sleeping pills. When the negative thoughts won't go away and keep you up at night, you need them.

The over the counter stuff just isn't the same. It will change your life.

He probably thinks that there is something fabulous out there that he is missing. Can you check your computer to see what he has been doing?

Try to eat. I laugh when I say this beause I spent many weeks eating a can of pringles and a drinking half a bottle of wine for dinner. I do not suggest that.

Put some highlights in your hair, spray on a tan...all these things help:)

Face the day, don't hide from it. Good luck.

Poppy

Nancy said...

Good evening, everyone!

Oh my goodness, is it just me or do Mondays definitely suck? I'm very glad this day is over. A friend of mine once told me I was wishing my life away and she was right, but I sure wish it were Friday. :) (old habits are hard to break)

EJ, I haven't been in this situation as long as the others--only since August 29th of last year, and my husband informed me he wanted a divorce in late October. He has pushed unmercifully since that time, but things have settled a bit during the last month or two and he has actually become a bit more like his old self, at least on the surface. I don't let that fool me, however, because I saw a side of him that I never knew existed and that side was so powerful that I will never forget how he made me feel and continues to make me feel quite often (and if I do begin to forget, all I have to do is go back and read my posts or look in those e-mails I wrote to him that I never sent but saved for myself).

Those first few days and weeks after he left are a bit of a blur, but I remember the feeling of walking in the fog, having almost tunnel vision as I tried to go along with my day like it was a normal day like any other. Like you, I had decided not to tell anybody but that lasted about 6 hours until I had to call one of my sisters and a friend. After that, I knew that I needed those people and more to surround me with love and support. I thought I should feel humiliated, but I didn't because I knew that I had not failed. There were a few things I could have done differently, but I did not fail when it came to wanting to work things out. You have not failed either, so there is nothing for you to feel humilated about either. Your family, friends, and boss will be a great source of support to you if you let them.

I lost about 8 pounds in that first week and have continued to lose, although at a much slower rate. Last time I checked, it was almost a loss of 30 pounds--guess that's the positive. The sleep thing is the worst! I don't remember to this day the last time I slept over 5 hours straight. Even when I took that Tylenol PM, I was still awake at 3:30 every morning with thoughts running through my mind that I could not turn off. I was so tired, but I could not make my mind relax. I think it's a great idea to go talk to your doctor about needing some help with the sleeping and anything else you may need. I called my ob/gyn the first week my husband left and she was so compassionate and helpful with that prescription pad. :) Sleep definitely helps put things into a different perspective--it takes the edge off the emotions just a little, although it's still a pretty sharp edge. Try to make yourself eat just a little--the sleep will come in time even if you don't take anything for it. It may not be as restful as you are used to, but it will be better. I'm a natural worrier anyway, so don't use my lack of sleep 7 months after the beginning of my situation as any guideline that it won't get better sooner than that. With everything that's been going on in my family during this time, I'm amazed I get the sleep I do.

We are very glad you found this site and can assure you that anytime at all you need some help or somebody to listen who will never judge you no matter what you say or feel, you have a "roomful" of friends here.

Let us know how you are doing when you feel like it, ok?

Hang in there everyone--only 100 more hours until Saturday! :)

Nancy

Anonymous said...

Cathy,

Don't be disheartened... and yet as I say that I realize how can you not be, right? Feel it all around you and then pull yourself out. You know you will feel better. You always have up to this point. Maybe it's the 2 year mark coming up or something at this time of year in the past that is pulling you down. My mother in law said that it took her at least 2 years until she felt at all normal. She dated and about 5 years ago she met a nice man and is married. I met a woman through a mutual friend the other day whose husband left her 10 years ago for the 16 year old baby sitter.The woman had been working hard and had 4 boys. She needed a break so the husband said she should go away for a bit. She did and then he said the baby sitter had a fight with her mother and so was going to stay over. Long story short, he was able to take the house from her because she"left". He married the baby sitter whom the kids now 12-21 still call "Le Gaurdienne"(the babysitter). They now have a 2 year old. The girl is the sole worker and is miserable. The friend has now met an old friend and is moving out west to be with him. She said that it is so hard but that it gives you so much. It is a journey. She said it is hard to see that when you are in it but that you grow from it in way that you couldn't have imagined.

I was actually taking a counseling course when my marriage blew up. Viktor Frankel, founder of logotherapy, which is a form of Existential Analysis, had a quote that made me feel better and guided me. It's one that I see all you women follow:

“The one thing you can’t take away from me is the way I choose to respond to what you do to me. The last of one’s freedoms is to choose ones attitude in any given circumstance.”

We didn't have a choice. Not one of us, but we all decided to stand up and not get knocked down. We got rocked, that's for sure. We bent but we did not break.

I hope you feel better.

Happy Mom



P.s. I can't find the pic on fb. There are so many with the same name. Is there any particular way of finding it? What do should I type in?

Nancy said...

How wonderful to hear from you, Happy Mom. It's absoutely mind-boggling that the guy you talked about actually married the 16 year old--and even more amazing that any 16 year old would be interested in marrying that guy. I'm sure she is miserable, as you say. She grew up a little and he never will--same old man, same old habits, same lousy attitude toward marriage in general.

You know, it's funny, but no matter how many times I get knocked down, I always have held on to the belief that everything really does happen for a reason. It just really would be nice to know the reason as we are going through all of this because it would sure make the pain and heartache a lot easier to bear, wouldn't it?

I'm sorry too, Cathy, that you are feeling stuck. I've only been going through all of this for 7 months, give or take, and I swear I am so sick of the entire legal profession. I have nothing against lawyers, personally, but I'm so tired of every conversation I have with the man who was my best friend ending with the "have you heard from your lawyer about ___" yet? I had to go sign the last couple of papers yesterday (hopefully the last), and when I talked to him later, I said that as much as I hated everything going on, I'm just so tired of it all...that I hope I will NEVER have to visit another lawyer again, and I hope he won't either. It's amazing how fast it wears you down physically, mentally, and emotionally. I think that the fact that you are constantly in "hang-on" mode, Cathy, can't help. If HE wanted all of this so badly, then why hasn't he responded to the judge and tried to get it all over with? It's like he is just keeping you in this cycle and you're ready to get out of it but can't at the moment. Hang in there--maybe this is a bit of the karma getting ready to come through for him--a backlash from the legal system that he thinks won't ever happen to him. We can hope.

I do have to agree that we need to ban Colleen from the bikini line advisor position at the resort. Since Poppy is already in charge of travel arrangements and eyebrow waxing, maybe she can just cover the bikini lines too--or maybe we should just ban bikinis and go for the one piece swimsuits with skirts on them instead (that would be my swimsuit of choice).

Cathy, you have got to see those eyebrows--type in the name and add the name of the country when you search on facebook. When I did that, all of those names were narrowed down to 3. Take the one of the guy standing in front of a white mountain (I guess it was a mountain). Now, I'm no beauty expert by any stretch of the imagination but even I had wonder about the lack of tweezers or wax in that household. Thanks for sharing, Poppy--interesting to have a face to put with the stories.

Have a good day everybody. Off to pluck a gray hair from my chin (I'm not at the waxing stage yet) :) I have 20 minutes until little man wakes up (he slept in my bed last night with a sleeping bag, 2 blankets, 21 Webkinz animals, a puppy, and his cat--and I wonder why I didn't sleep well again??) Ah yes, king size beds are good for something afterall.

Nancy

Nancy said...

Oops--meant Happy Mom, you have to see those eyebrows.

By the way, Colleen--going to try later on to send a picture of myself to your e-mail address. I have Cathy's email address and have already sent her one a couple weeks ago, but thought I'd send you a face to put with the woe is me messages from me. :)

Anonymous said...

Ok, I saw the m a standing in front or the snow covered mountain but there is no picture of miss eyebrows. Maybe he took it off. Poppy, her picture could probably be used against him in court. I know there was case recently similar to that. As well, how much time some woman spent on fb was held against her in a child custody case.

Happy Mom

Nancy said...

Wow, Happy Mom, you are right. I just looked him up again and he took off several pictures. The one where the little boy is sitting on his lap has been cropped so Ms. Eyebrows can't be seen sitting to the left. Poppy, looks like he is getting prepared for court. Somebody must have told him to get rid of those pictures. They were just there yesterday. Hey, either that or they already broke up. Oh no! Say it ain't so--who will go to Paris with him if that's the case?

Good luck tomorrow in court--we'll be thinking about you and hope all goes as smoothly as it did last week!

Anonymous said...

Oh my goodness...you guys are right. He took the photos down. They were his brother's photos and his brother must have taken them down.

He is totally getting ready for court tomorrow. He was sent the CA judgement today, so he knows everything now.

The SWE judge emailed me back regarding my request to call into my hearing, she said that I could listen only and not speak. ?? My lawyer said it was best if I NOT do that so that if something weird comes up, she can say that she needs to discuss it with me.

We will see....

Luckily, I am a highly skilled password finder and I logged into his Facebook and went to Eyebrow's page and stole some photos. So, if you want to see, I can email them to you. I should post them on my page. :)

Ok...calling Dr. Phil.....

Why did I do this....I looked up an old boyfriend on LinkedIn and found him and emailed him to say hi and see where he is. He responded. I want to see him. Luckily, he is in a different state. We lived together about 15 years ago (for 3 years). What is wrong with me?

I will let you know how tomorrow goes. Court time is 5 am my time. I should know in 12 hours.

Poppy

E.J said...

My Fellow Victims,

Sooooo...here's an update for you all. Still the same situation, he's still not talking, staying away (pussy) and sleeping! I sent him an email, a last plea if you will, and told him how I feel about the situation. That obviously if I had the choice, I would PREFER to fix things. But that I'll let him go, if that's what he truly wants. Some other stuff too, but that's pretty much the gist of it. No reply and it has been 2 days. I checked his email and I know he read it because it was marked unread. On the same lines as this, Poppy, I did check HIS computer...nada. I felt stupid I must admit, afterwards. I never wanted to be the snooping type. I always felt that if I have to snoop, it probably isn't meant to be. And all in all, I'm better off without him if I have to live in fear and worry about that kind of stuff.

I know it is still very soon, but I feel GOOD today. I took your advise Ladies and got some Ambien (better than sex) and slept a whole night through. Woke up this morning SUPER positive and am looking forward to my second dose tonight! I also told 2 of my sisters! I swear they're more angry than me. One of my sisters said she couldn't sleep all night, that's how pissed she was! I must admit, it is nice to have that backing.

You guys rock and thanks for welcoming me into this "sisterhood" of yours! I truly appreciate your words of wisdom!

When I need a good laugh, I read some of these comments on here. I'm picking up on some of your inside jokes...good times.

Take care all!

Peace and Love,
E.J

Lesley said...

Hi
My partner of 10 years leaves tomorrow. We got an allotment last year with chickens and ducks and he turned it from a hobby to an obsession. Anyway, this woman started helping him. She isn't working, and was always there on his days off. I was troubled by her presence, but as I work 9 - 5 Mon - Fri I wasn't able to always be there. She started coming to the house for meals and I thought she wouldn't start anything if she could see us as a family and I was friendly to her. WRONG!
She apparently did the same thing with another plot holder last year and split him from his long term partner. She then moved in, but it didn't last very long, and she was back with her father. She is 45 years and my partner and I are 57. I know that makes her the younger woman, but you really wouldn't think so. She is always dirty and lives in working clothes.
Anyway, she started getting more flirty with my man, sending texts with lots of kisses in etc. When I challenged him about it he said she was just a good friend and nothing more and if she wanted more he would run a mile. BUT she text his daughter telling her that she loved him, and then everything changed.
He kept saying he wanted to try her out for a while to see if he liked her. At least three people told him that she was manipulative, obsessive and generally barking mad. It seems to make him even more keen to be with her.
He has taken two weeks to decide whether he wants to be with her or me, and frankly I have pushed him to make his decision as I couldn't stand it any longer.
So he leaves tomorrow, to according to him, try her out for two months and then decide what he wants to do. I suspect what he really means is that he doesn't want me to throw his stuff out until he can find somewhere to stash it.
I feel broken, humiliated and I just want to kill the b**ch, but she is just not worth swinging for. I am sure it will not last, but where would that leave us?

Anonymous said...

EJ - glad you got some sleeping pills. They really help.

Leslie - so sorry to hear your story. Sounds like a mid life crisis...just a bit late. If he goes with her, kick him out. Why doesn't he work? Cut him off. (I know it isn't that easy...but it isn't fair to you if he goes with her then comes back to you)

I was supposed to have court today. As my luck would have it...my lawyer called in sick! How can that even happen? As it turned out, it was her father who is sick and she needed to go to him. So, her partner tried to get our hearing posponed. The judge said no. So, then, he is supposed to represent me without knowing anything about my case??? And, remember, I am not even there. OMG. THEN, out of the blue, the judge calls and says she will postpone the hearing due to issues at the court. What? So, now, I will have to get a new date. As time is in my favor, I am ok with this. I really wanted it to all be over, but it is not.

My husband thought I did this. He refused to take my calls this morning. Finally, we spoke and he has no idea what happened and I have no idea and it is all just weird. (our daughter is sick, so I needed to talk to him).

The drama continues.

I am going back to Europe next week for 9 days for work and to hopefully move out of my apartment. I am so sick of going there.

Poppy

Eileen said...

This is happening to me right now...After 8 years our 3 year old son, and being highschool sweethearts I have litterally never been alone and can't say that I want to. I am just so upset that he could leave us and our beautiful life I spend most of the day hoping he will come home soon but its almost been two weeks and I haven't seen any improvement. Your page helped, even though I think I may be daydreaming that he will come back. Its so hard because like you wrote I didn't ask for this, never in a million years, and he must be crazy to give up all we have. Hating it but trying to stay positive.

Eileen said...

This is happening to me right now...After 8 years our 3 year old son, and being highschool sweethearts I have litterally never been alone and can't say that I want to. I am just so upset that he could leave us and our beautiful life I spend most of the day hoping he will come home soon but its almost been two weeks and I haven't seen any improvement. Your page helped, even though I think I may be daydreaming that he will come back. Its so hard because like you wrote I didn't ask for this, never in a million years, and he must be crazy to give up all we have. Hating it but trying to stay positive.

Anonymous said...

This is happening to me right now...After 8 years our 3 year old son, and being highschool sweethearts I have litterally never been alone and can't say that I want to. I am just so upset that he could leave us and our beautiful life I spend most of the day hoping he will come home soon but its almost been two weeks and I haven't seen any improvement. Your page helped, even though I think I may be daydreaming that he will come back. Its so hard because like you wrote I didn't ask for this, never in a million years, and he must be crazy to give up all we have. Hating it but trying to stay positive.

Anonymous said...

This is happening to me right now...After 8 years our 3 year old son, and being highschool sweethearts I have litterally never been alone and can't say that I want to. I am just so upset that he could leave us and our beautiful life I spend most of the day hoping he will come home soon but its almost been two weeks and I haven't seen any improvement. Your page helped, even though I think I may be daydreaming that he will come back. Its so hard because like you wrote I didn't ask for this, never in a million years, and he must be crazy to give up all we have. Hating it but trying to stay positive.

Nancy said...

EJ, I'm glad you are feeling more positive after a good night's sleep. It's amazing how big of a role that plays in our emotions, isn't it? Keep staying strong! My sisters were the same as yours--they definitely had my back and were almost more outraged on my behalf than I was. Sisters are great, aren't they?

Lesley, I'm sorry you are having to go through all of this too. I have to agree with Poppy that if he goes off with the other lady that you should dump his behind as quickly as possible. He seriously cannot expect you to be hanging around waiting for his big declaration as to whether or not he is staying or going. Take that power away from him and take charge of what YOU want.

Welcome, Eileen. I am so very sorry for you having to experience this limbo state, especially when you have that little boy to take care of at the same time. It's a two-edged sword, isn't it? On one hand, your son is your reason to get up and face the day and stay as positive as possible. On the other hand, because you are responsible for the emotional and physical well-being of your child, he comes first and you can't have the luxury of laying around and crying whenever you feel like it. I'm with you--just how can these husbands up and leave? Did he give you a reason that you can share? I hate this for you--it is so unfair to you and your son and I bet you look at your husband and wonder who he is and what he did with the man you knew so well and married! We've all had that same thought. Hang in there! You are NOT alone, and anytime you need a friend to talk with or vent to, we're all right here and will hold you up when you don't think you can go on or will cheer you on when you need that pep squad.

Stay strong, ladies!

Nancy

Anonymous said...

Girls ... I can't keep up with everyone on site ... this is Fantastic. E J so glad to have you on board and I can tell you have your own brand of humour. Lesley ... you're not alone my dear and I know you feel like this is all just a bad dream and you'll wake up and everything will be okay. I understand that feeling myself. Look after you. That's a lot when you don't know who you are without your spouse. This is the most painful - rewarding learning curve imaginable. Today I like me and two years ago I didn't. I still struggle and the site ... thanks Poopy, Coll, Nancy , Happy Mom for being there and just loving me thru a bad spot. You guys are my life line

Poppy I can't believe you girl .. WOW ... man your ex doesn't have a chance and I missed the Neanderthal
eyebrows... darn.

Oh dear Julie your director is coming up with a game for the resort ... draw pics of your ex and the group has to match the pic to the ex spouse ... what do think of that ... open to suggestions.

Nancy what would I do without your tenderness and your humour ... it has bound this group together.

Colleen ... our inspiration that there is joy to be found. You teach us to fly.

EJ you are warm and you are vunerable and thank you for trusting us ... trust is a huge issue for all of us right now.

Happy Mom you keep us grounded with your honesty and forthright nature. You call a spade a spade but do with much love.

Lesley we don't know much about you yet. We know you are devastated and we welcome you into the fold of crazy loving often dysfunctional women who's sole purpose is to help heal through experience and caring.

Before I forget I am embarking on a new frontier in my life. I had an interview with Hospice this week and I will be taking a course for the next couple of weeks related to grief. I will then be a volunteer for Hospice in a variety of roles on my terms. They were excited to have me and put my application to the top of the list. I had to tell you that it was such a boost to me. The focus of the Hospice is on living today. So I am really excited. It will get me out of my safe little apartment into the real world.

Bedtime ... have I told you girls how much I love you all ... consider yourself told!!!

Lovingly
Cathy

Anonymous said...

again ...for Poppy ... no your not nuts re looking up the old boyfriends ... I did too ... don't know why I just did ... Cathy

Anonymous said...

Poppy,

I think it's great you looked up that guy. Just keep it low profile until after court, just in case.

Lesley,

I'm sorry about your situation. It is typical for men(midlife) to go for a woman who is "mad". If we meet a guy who we think is nuts, we run the other way, but guys think they act that way because they like them so much. The husband of a friend of mine had this "friend" who his wife knew also. She confided in him. Telling him how horrible her husband was etc.( all lies) He felt bad for her. He listened to her. Finally, he told my friend that he thought he loved her. They went straight to a marriage counselor. With that, he saw things differently. He then stopped talking to this woman. She would drive up and down their street and show up at their son's soccer games. They had to tell her in a more forceful way and finally she went away. He finally realized she was nuts. Before that he didn't see it.
This woman who came into your house, has done this before. Maybe it's only the game of chase that she likes. If he doesn't appreciate what he's had with you, then he doesn't deserve you.
Concentrate on yourself. Do things that make you feel good. I wish you the best.

Peace and Strength,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Cathy,

Congratulations on the hospice work! It sounds interesting and very positive. I'm sure you will be very good at that type of work and that you'll find it rewarding.

Good luck,

Happy Mom

Nancy said...

Oh my goodness--can it be true? Have we really made it to Friday? I thought I was stuck in the week that would never end!

Cathy, it is so wonderful that you are working with Hospice now. Hospice worked with my dad from the day he got out of the hospital that last time at the end of last August until he passed away at the beginning of October. I think it was such a comfort to my mother to have somebody else to lean on who could tell her what to expect and just be there in general when she needed a break. Such a great organization and I can see why they are so excited to have you join as a volunteer. I'm sure you will find it very rewarding, and they are very lucky to have you.

Colleen, how goes the motorcycle mama scene? I'm thinking you need a stylish little black backpack that you can strap on with that hairbrush and makeup inside. I'm with you--at 20, the wind-whipped look is cute--at 40 (or make that almost 50 for me), the wind-whipped, no makeup look just makes me look a little crazy and not stylish at all. I think you, however, have a natural beauty to you, so I'm sure you were gorgeous even if you don't think so!

Poppy, sorry the court date didn't go the way you were hoping it would. What are the odds your lawyer would need to be absent on the one day you had your date? Oh well, like you said, time is on your side and you have done your homework very thoroughly. I do believe HE underestimated you for some reason, but I know it will all work out in your favor. That's the only fair thing--and it's your turn to be the recipient of the "fair" decision in life.

Happy Mom, you always have such good advice for everybody. I'm thinking you should go into family counseling/therapy as a minor. How goes the situation with the kids and the sleepover issue at dreadhead's? Has it gotten better in the last week or so?

Not much new going on here. Had a bad evening yesterday when moody hubby wanted our son to come with him to look at a new house he was interested in. Now, things have been a little friendlier between us so I suggested I just come with them and then could bring our boy home so HE wouldn't have to drive the 45 minutes here and again back to his apartment. His response? I just want him to come this time, not you. Well, not that blunt, but it was still sort of a slap in the face, and I had to remind myself I shouldn't be inviting myself into situations where it is obvious I'm not welcomed anymore. It's really hard to get used to not being part of his family anymore, you know? Oh well, this too will pass, and when it comes down to it, I have my son with me every night and probably 95% of the days--I shouldn't be sad about not being wanted to be part of a "family outing." Hard to go from being the most important person in the world to somebody to being nothing more than an acquaintance (at least that's how it feels). Oh well, nothing I can't handle--just had forgotten my place.

Hope you all have a wonderful weekend!

Nancy

Nancy said...

Before I forget, Julie, I have to say that your idea regarding the artistic interpretation of our ex-spouses does indeed have potential. I'm calling dibs on the split personality picture, however--half the picture will be the normal, loving, attentive and caring husband; the other half I think I'll just have to leave in dark silhouette since I have no idea who that person is. You know, I have a suspicion that all of our pictures will look very similar. You don't think they are all from the same litter, do you? :)

Way to keep the creative ideas flowing, oh recreational director. Wait--what was my job again? Oh yeah, the voodoo dolls. We may have to bring in more help to crank those things out!

Anonymous said...

Nancy,

I hear you on the "change in status" you feel. That took me by surprise. You figure, ok he wants to be with someone else but of course he's going to still feel something for me. Mine is like a stranger who feels nothing for me (except at the store trying to make a point, then I'm his wife). I know it's very hard. It's hard when it comes to your son going too, eh? Of course you feel sad. How could you not. You wouldn't be human. It feels like you are pushed out of your own family....for what? I feel it is the most humiliating and dishonourable of anything that he did. All that gets easier though. The more you get your own thing going. You reframe how you look at it. Think of it as now he is with his father and you can have time for yourself to get done whatever you need to. The best is to socialize, branch out. I'm at the point where I've detached who my husband was from who this man is. It's to the point that I had my first kiss(yes I did :)) and I thought, this is the first man I kissed since my husband died. That is exactly where my head went. I had to think, no wait he didn't die but it is just like he has. This man who comes in to pick up my children, I don't want anything to do with. He has no redeeming qualities. He lies, I can't trust him and he doesn't make sense if I confront him when he does something stupid where the kids are concerned. He twists what I say and he always thinks that I'm talking about money when I'm talking about quality time.

Now to the more important stuff...I had my first kiss. He's 38 and studying for his masters in education. He ran with me a lot last summer. Finally he said, "I love running with you but do you think maybe we could see a movie". I said yes then kept putting it off. He stopped trying. I saw him again in work recently and it started again. Finally I went out with him and we kissed. I needed to get that out of the way. I feel very differently. I don't want a relationship with anybody, my attitude about them has changed drastically, but it was good to know that I really enjoyed kissing someone... a lot... again.

Oh, and Nancy, you were right on... I want to go into counseling for women and their families, to be a support. As for the kids, I do feel better that they see a lot less of her now (she went to cabane a sucre with his family). When they do I just remember that they will be home soon. My ex has been coming in for supper one of the nights (I'm at school). If he comes in to put the kids to bed he stays and watches tv on my bed with the kids and me. While he's here he gets called and texted.

Just let your ex go. It takes time but he will loosen up around you. By then, you won't care as much. It doesn't feel like it will ever happen but it does. You are right, this too shall pass.

Take care,

Happy Mom

E.J said...

Poppy...I'm soooo sorry that this is dragging along. I'm sure you want this done and over with. And when it is I'm going to take 2 shots of Jameson for you. Also don't look too deep into it, I've always wondered about my exes in the past. It is only natural. Sooooo...spill the goods, girl! I can use some juicy gossip!

Lesley....LEAVE HIM! You are not running a Hotel. Who does this guy think he is? UGH! You're better off...seriously. You deserve so much better. Is it wrong that I wish physical harm to guys like yours? And most of these sleeze balls...

Eileen, you and I have 8 years under our belt, 12 all together for myself. Regardless of the years, it is such a horrible thing to go through. Especially when you have children. What has helped me the most is the constant reminder to myself that I don't deserve this! In a way, you take the power back when you realize that you are not to blame and that you deserve so much more. It will get better...day by day. I promise.

Nancy, sisters ARE great!! I'm so glad I have them. They keep me laughing. Which by the way I started to get pissed off at myself because I was losing my laughter. Silly me...
And seriously, it is AMAZING what sleep deprivation can do to you. I was a crying bafoon (nothing wrong with crying ladies)...but I am not a sad person. I am very much a happy go lucky kinda gal.

Cathy, you are an angel. Simply put. Your words are pure and genuine. There aren't many like you around. So glad I found this site!

Ummmmm... Happy Mom and Colleen...can you give me some lessons in getting my future groove on??? That's all I'm say'n! You go GIRLS!

Happy Saturday everyone! Have a great rest of your weekend!

colleen said...

Hi Girls
I'm off for a few days and so much has gone down!
Happy Mom - very very proud of you - first kiss - it only gets better from here!
Nancy - can relate to that "left off" feeling - awful, absolutely awful, but you're bigger than the a/hole.
EJ, yeah we all know about sleep deprivation - 18 months with no sleep - no joke. Keep laughing with your sisters.
Eileen & Lesley, welcome to the mad hatters club - I need to catch up. Put yourself first and not them.
Poppy - sorry girl, everything for a reason I guess.
Cath, so pleased to hear about hospice - a new challenge - just what you need. They are lucky to have you - very lucky!!
My news - all good, having fun and getting comfortable with each other - oh, by the way Nancy - I'm also closer to 50 - oops! - my bad!
On a sad note - the ex has got his revenge on me - before my court case, he traded in his BMW X5 for an Audi as he had no money - left me with a 10yr old car - guess what he is driving now? Yip - a BMW X5 - I feel sick. He can't pay for his kids - but he can keep his image going ...
Hate hate hate hate ...
So girls - love you all!
Off to lunch with my brother
Colleen
xxx

Lesley said...

I had my first weekend without him. He does pop back and keeps saying he thinks he is making a big mistake. He seems disorientated and haggard. not how you would expect someone to look who has got a new woman! He has moved in with her and her father, and I don't think it can be that easy, hey ho!
Everyone thinks he will come back when he has found out what she is like, and I suppose it is giving me time to see if I would want him back. But right at the moment it hurts so much, because I don't think he set out to leave with her, she was relentless in the way she chased him. And we are both going through huge amounts of pain, just so that she could get what she wants. I know you will all think it is his fault, but I really do know him and I think he was staggered when she told his daughter that she loved him.
The odd thing is that we have sorted out some of our problems, which he would never talk about, so how could we ever address them. I can be really rational about all this except when I am on my own, and then all I want to do is cry...pitiful!

Nancy said...

Hello girls--

I guess I need a pep talk too. Let me give you the scenario. I'm in my office this afternoon at school and I get a text message from J (husband). It says three words: "you okay baby". Now, here's the kicker--he has never called me "baby" in his life. When I question who it was meant for, he says it is for a buddy that is nicknamed "biker babe"--a motorcycle riding friend. Of course, I continued to prod until he admitted he has a girlfriend and apparently has had one for awhile...but "I never cheated on you, Nancy."

Now, I know you will tell me I am better off without him, and I know you are correct logically. That doesn't mean that the heart accepts that after spending so many years with somebody I thought I knew so well. Same old story isn't it, ladies?

He says "we are friends" and I ask him if that's so then why hasn't he been treating me like a friend? Why has he never just called to say hi without having some lawyer comment attached? Why has he shot down every effort I've made to act friendly? His response was that he knew I would think anything friendly he did was a sign of more and he is NEVER coming home. I told him that I couldn't believe he didn't have more grief in him--that I was still fighting the pain of the loss of the marriage and grieving the loss of the dreams. He told me he felt pain for "a little while" but that he got over it and moved on with his life and I need to get over it too. He doesn't feel like he has done anything wrong at all.

Wow, just when I think I have it all figured out. We can be friends, we can work together--he tells me that the "we" I talk about is nothing more than our names on a piece of paper and that we are definitely getting divorced, if we aren't already (if the judge signed today--who knows?). Who is this callous man? Was he there the whole time and I covered it all up? This is nothing new, other than the girlfriend part now, so why is this all so upsetting to me tonight? I guess when I thought it was just him, I had hope--well, not exactly hope, but maybe felt something in common with him. Now that I know he is spending his days texting somebody new and looking forward to being with her, I know I am totally out of the picture in his mind and heart. I remember the giddy feeling of new love--and he is giving that to somebody else. He says she knows he is married, but I doubt very much that she knows how he treated me during this entire time. I almost want to warn her about him--is that odd?

So, girls, I'm down in the dumps tonight. Some of his things are still here at the house. All of his tools are in the garage and he's supposed to get all of them according to the property settlement. I'm definitely not going to keep them from him (even though the thought of selling them at a garage sale crossed my mine)--but wouldn't it be a shame if he had left them here so long that none of them worked right when he got them back? Darn the luck!

Any advice on how to get over this newest revelation of the other woman's role and my husband's callous approach to me? I know it's nothing new at all, but it is sort of new to me---trying very hard not to hate him. I'm not a hater, but I really think I'm leaning that direction, at least for tonight.

Whew--I feel better just having said it all. Man! I was moving forward so well and now he's knocked me backwards quite a bit. Jackass!

Love you all,
Nancy

Anonymous said...

Hi girls,

I wrote on the weekend .. it was a huge letter and when I went to send it ... it was deleted ... Cathy was NOT happy. To catch up with everyone......

Colleen you keep going forward .. so he has a bright shinny new car ... big deal ... making up for something he's short on no doubt. It will break down and rust and fall apart. In the end he will have still abandoned his kids and he will pay a price.

Happy Mom ... a kiss is a big deal especially after you have been married and hurt. You go girl follow those wonderful instincts of yours.

Lesley I feel your pain. He has a choice. Just keep looking after you. All of us have gone through what you are going through.

EJ your are an Energizer Bunny. You are just going forward. You hang on to those good days they give you hope. I'm putting you in charge of arobics at our resort / spa retreat ... whatever it is.

Nancy ... dear one ... oh you have found out he truth dear and the pain is real. There is no way to get through it hon except just to feel it. It's okay to feel anger ... it's normal and you have been betrayed. Somehow the truth always seems to surface and when it does it snacks you in the face. You vent and we will listen. You are hurt and if you leave it on the inside it will fester. Colleen knows all too well the rants I went on. I kept apologizing because I knew she was in her own pain but she kept on listening ... and still does ... right Coll.

Poppy I certainly know your frustration with the court stuff. I am STILL waiting for that idiot ex of mine to respond to the judge. I feel like I am in limbo. It sucks ... but I use my faith and I figure I have been brought this far.

I start Hospice classes tomorrow night. The other piece of info is that I am talking to 2 gentlemen on line. The first is a referral from Colleen. Nice guy so far. The other fellow is a paramedic ... 62 ... makes 50 sound young lol ... also nice. Conversing on line is about all I can handle right now. Will keep you posted.

You are all in my thoughts and prayers ... love you guys
Cathy

Anonymous said...

Nancy....

I'm going to say something and I hope you are ok with it. It is only my opinion, I have no way of knowing for sure only by experience and by how most of these situations seem to go. Your husband was most likely having an affair and that's why he wanted the speedy divorce. I say this because now you are going to think that he is going to experience all this new stuff, but really by now it is probably old. I don't want you to stay there thinking of it as something you could of avoided. You couldn't. He made the choice. It feels like a set back now and like Cathy says, you have to feel that. Now you have the benefit of knowing the truth. That truth had been taken out of your hands. He held the cards. Now you are on a level playing field. You can make decisions based on knowing the truth. You hate him because you love him and your mad and hurt. You have every right to be. You don't deserve what he has done and neither does your son. He says the woman knows he is married... maybe she does or maybe she doesn't. Maybe she does and that's why he needed the speedy divorce. What I have come to learn is that they lie to us to do what they want to do and to avoid guilt and conflict, but they also lie to the other woman. So what was new and shiny (and I'm convinced it isn't anymore) one day won't be and it is already based on lies and the pain of other people.
In the long run, this will probably help you move forward and heal. It will take some time to process but you will be fine. Vent all you want.

Take care of you,

Happy Mom

colleen said...

Hi Lesley
I am so sorry for your turmoil. It does sound like he was caught in a vulnerable moment, now he has been pushed into a situation which he does not sound happy in.
There is no shame in taking him back and sorting out your issues with a counsellor. Many marriages have been through affairs and have come through stronger. Obviously a lot of healing and trust issues need to be addressed.
Whatever the outcome - we will always support you. Go with your heart.
take care
love
Colleen

colleen said...

Dear Nancy
sorry sorry sorry you had to find out ... shit! There is always someone else isn't there - a billion study cases just cant be wrong! Just so wish they would own up to it in the first place and spare us the turmoil of not knowing why they left us in the first place.
I went through 6 months of believing he truly loved me and just needed some space - only once my eldest son bust him with his secret cell phone did I discover the real reason!
The hurt and pain of being cast aside in this way is unbearable! I know! I did phone his girlfriend to ask why, and to tell her that while he was taking her on holidays, he was giving me no money to feed his boys - did she believe me? NO! So, I achieved nothing, other than the fact that I conducted myself with dignity and she was clearly the "slapper".
Nancy, in his mind he has justified his actions - you can stand on your head but will never get through to his tiny goldfish brain. He will turn this against you - this is his guilt coming through, although he would never admit it.
The person you thought you knew is long gone, you feel humiliated and wonder how many lies before this.
Be strong girlfriend. This is gut-wrenching. The thought of being replaced and him moving on while you are left reeling in shock and wondering how you are going to re-build your life is very very difficult, but you can and will do this.
Be angry, hate him, invent some new swear words that feel good - but keep your soul strong my friend.
Believe in yourself and know that this was not your doing.
go in love
Colleen

colleen said...

Dearest Cath
you go girl - remember I want to wear a pink bridesmaid dress!!!
Ha - how many times have we invented wonderful swear words and come up with delicious plans on how to get rid of them - sadly the voodoo dolls didn't work - oh well, maybe they will in time.
Remember you have picked me up as many times as I have you - goes both ways darling friend!
At least we can be an inspiration for our girlfriends on this site, for them to see we can get through with the love and support of one another.
love you always
Coll
xxx

Nancy said...

Hello ladies. Seems like all is very quiet around here lately. I guess that could be good or bad--do I see thumbs up or thumbs down out there?

Here's the finger I choose to show the world--no make that just one particular male in the world--but the world itself is okay today. I admit I'm feeling a tad lonely today but nothing I can't handle.

Happy Mom, I do not mind your observation at all, and I think now and then you might be right about the affair being the reason behind the relentless push to get the divorce going. I always go back to that conversation we had dozens of times over the years regarding spouses cheating and how if they wanted to do that, they should be honest enough to divorce first and not go behind backs. There's just no other explanation that makes sense to me, so I'm guessing you're correct--or at least he knew he wanted to stray so had to emotionally leave first so he could justify his cheating heart. Let's all just kick him, shall we? 1 - 2 - 3...aim high girls!

To all the rest of you out there, thank you very much for taking the time to come wrap your arms around me last week and let me sigh and cry a little. Your compassion, understanding, love, and support were most definitely felt and it does indeed make a difference. I hope you all know that I am right here too whenever any of you may need a shoulder to lean on, as well.

Poppy, how goes the world lately--literally the world in your case. I think quite often of how relieved you will be to have those international trips over with and just get back to a "normal" life. Cathy, how did you like your hospice training? Has the jerk ever contacted the judge--jerk being equally applicable to ex-husband AND his lawyer. Colleen, wow still on your turn around in life. I love the fact that you and Cathy both have turned corners and are such inspirations--oh wait--Happy Mom, that kiss! Wowee! Good for you! I need someone to kiss me too--any volunteers? :)

Enjoy the rest of your weekend and let us know how you are all doing. I think of you all often and keep positive thoughts coming to each and every one of you.

Hugs to all--
Nancy

PS Someone I know came back from Mardi Gras with a voodoo doll. I'm thinking we need something a little more original now that these have become so commercial. What about life-size pictures of the men that can be hung as dart boards or targets for archery/riflery practice? Not exactly original, but I'll think on it and get back to you.

colleen said...

Hi Nancy
It's ok to feel out of sorts for no particular reason. This is all part of the process. I find I get incredibly angry for no particular reason.
Someone once said to me that whatever your length of marriage - you times that by 2 and that is how long you will take to heal - well, if that is the case I'll be dead by then.
What you are feeling is normal - you have been punched in the gut and your mind is still reeling with the absurdity of his actions.
We're all with you girlfriend.
Take care and lotsa love
Colleen

E.J said...

Nancy Dear

I feel your pain!! Trust me...I do! To my understanding, I am the youngest here, but what I can suggest to you, what has been helping me is to think about your idiot ex as much as he's thought of you in this whole process. Which I'm sure hasn't been much. Let's vow to keep or power, ladies. As hard as it hurts some days, wipe those tears girlfriends!! "They" couldn't give a crap how we feel. Let's stop wasting tears on them! I'm sorry, I'm just so sick of these guys. Nancy, I hope things are better for you, I really do. I hate that you had such a bad day.

As far as thumbs being up or down. Both of my thumbs are down. I left the house because I refused to get treated like a fool. It was rough leaving my home...but since I've been gone, a HUGE amount of stress has been lifted from me. The douche still hasn't told me why he's feeling the way he has. I'm not going to wait around until he has a great epiphany. Taking it day by day. That's all I can do, right?

I hope you all are having a GREAT Monday. And I appreciate each one of you more than you know!

Toodles,
E.J

Nancy said...

Hello friends--

Just wanted to check in and make sure all of you are doing well.

Had a rough Sunday morning with my son. He is the most easy-going child in the world--always smiling, always has that spark in his eye, but that morning he was a little "off." I could tell something was bothering him and after doing a lot of prodding and not letting him hide away, he finally broke down into tears and it came out that he is just so tired of changes. He said the worst changes are "divorce" and Grandpa dying last year. He also hinted that he was sad and mad that his father didn't spend enough time with him. I texted J to ask if he was coming over to spend time with his son (hadn't heard from him since Friday night) and he didn't reply for 3 hours. At my urging, he finally came out and spent a couple of hours with our son. That seemed to perk him back up. I think J was sort of surprised that our son had been so upset--he says he ought to be just fine with all of this since he's 10 years old. Can you imagine him seriously thinking that? I told him that I was thinking of taking our boy to see a counselor just so he had somebody besides me to talk to and I think that was a wake-up call for J. He didn't realize how hurt his child was since he is so happy around his father--but then J is his playmate now and not acting like a real parent who sees his child every day. Oh well...I guess it had a good effect since J made a point to drive 45 minutes to take our child to dinner and practice batting with him, and he told him he would be at his ball practice tomorrow night, as well. As much as I think it's kind of easier NOT to see him, I know that our child really needs him so I'll have to bury any hard feelings there are for the sake of a peaceful environment for C. I'm also adopting the "don't ask-don't tell policy." I don't want to know anything about "you okay baby" girlfriend and he doesn't tell. I figure if anything comes of it, I'll find out soon enough.

On a side note, my mother found out she has colon cancer--this just 6 months after my father died of blood cancer. When it rains it pours, huh? I think she's going to be fine in the long run--we hope so--but will be having surgery in mid-April to remove about a foot of her colon and make sure the cancer has not spread anywhere. After all we went through with my father last year, this occurrence has been more of a "we'll do what we need to do" kind of mood than a depressed, panicky mood--if that makes sense. It's like we now know that mortality really is just a part of the journey of life and you deal with it the best way you can and help your loved one along his or her journey as lovingly as you can. My mom asked me not to mention anything to my son since he has had WAY too many losses in his life thus far. He associates cancer with Grandpa which means death. Poor little guy--he told me Sunday that he just wishes he could be a little kid again--said he's tired of people messing with his life. Talk about tearing at your heart and revealing a layer of anger and sadness that he keeps well hidden. I always think of Colleen's boys and their struggle with anger and hurt from what their dad did--it keeps me watching out for my little guy that much closer.

Would love to hear from the rest of you now and then as to how your own challenges are going. I hope you are facing them all and coming out on top each time!

Love,
Nancy

Nancy said...

It's me again, girls. This seems to be my week for complaining, doesn't it? I feel like I have been punched in the stomach this morning. I had a voice mail from my lawyer's assistant this morning during my plan time at school--I knew what it was, but I didn't want to hear it. The divorce is final--papers were signed on Monday and they just got back to the lawyer's office today. I've known they were in the process, so why do I feel like I did the day J walked out on me? I'm weepy and sad--and I DO know I'll be better off in the long run, I know it's all him and not me, I know he's a jerk who has no compassion for others inside of himself, I know all of that--but it feels like I should have a tombstone carved: June 19, 1999 - March 28, 2011. I sort of feel like some part of my life has died. I don't get how I can be in mourning and he is so excited about it all. I called him to tell him the papers had gone through since he has been trying to get a loan for a house and wasn't able to if he was still married. He picked up the phone and I told him the papers had gone through, that he was now officially free of me (spiteful, I know). I was trying not to cry at the time. He asked if I was okay, and I said no. His reply? He laughed and said he guesses his lawyer will get around to calling him in a couple of days since he's such an idiot, but thanks for calling and he'll talk to me later. I just said I don't know anything about your lawyer. He says, "Thanks again--good to know." ...and that was it.

I'm so irritated at myself for letting this get to me again, but it really is a big thing, isn't it? At least it is to me. I know there are some people who can't wait for the divorce, but I never wanted it to happen, and it has been such a hard push since the end of August. I know, I know--now I can really get on with my life. So why does it feel like I'm sadder than I was when he left? Is it because he is so happy about it--the news, to him, is a huge relief and allows him to get his house, to date openly, to be the person he really wants to be now that I'm not around? I can't believe this is where I am in my life--less than a year ago, I didn't know anything could hurt this much--I was in my own little happy bubble. I guess the optimist in me wants to convince myself that in a year from now, maybe my life will be different again and I'll be happier than I've ever been. For now, though, I feel as if my heart is breaking all over again (not to be dramatic). I guess I'll just have to get used to the idea of it being final--of there being no legal or emotional connection between us anymore. Here is the way I'm trying to see it, and maybe this is part of my grief today: I'm telling myself that my husband is dead. Hell, I can't even use the word "husband" anymore because I don't have one. The man I married died in August. The man who is left is not him--sometimes that helps, but usually his face is just a reminder that he's happier without me than he was with me. I hate this day!

Thanks for letting me vent....
Nancy

Anonymous said...

Hi Ladies!

Nancy - sorry to hear that everything has now been finalized. I know it must be hard. And, sorry he has a girlfriend. Really...they all do.

As for me, I have been in Europe. He found me again! I don't know how he knows I am there. I decided to meet him in person. It was weird and a bit complicated, but here is the good news (if there can be any..)....

He has decided not to fight me anymore. He is going to let me stay here in the US and let the kids go to school here. I told him that he needs to drop all court cases against me and withdraw the Hague case if he ever wants to see the kids over in Europe. He said ok.

He never acknowledged that I won full custody in CA court. He wants me to reduce the child support payments. I told him I would if he drops the court cases.

I sold my apartment there. Had the movers come and pack a container to ship over her. He came over to help me with some things. He asked if I want to come and see his new apartment. I went. It was like he needed my approval. I asked him to buy some things for me to bring the kids. He asked me to go shopping with him, so I did. I picked everything out, he bought it. We had dinner together and called the kids while we were together, which the kids loved. I asked him if he had a girlfriend. He said no. (laugh). Total lie.

So, we will see if he actions the promises. He wants the kids to come to Europe every summer. I asked him how we would manage that. He said that the flight attendants could take care of them on the pland??? They are 5 and 7. Our 7 year old barfs every time he is on the plane. really??

It felt good to at least have a conversation with him. He actually broke down and cried..the ugly Oprah cry...saying how this was all killing him and he missed the kids, blah, blah. I reminded him that he left us. He walked out with a backpack. I did the only thing I knew to do. At least I got some emotion out of him.

So, we will see.

I have to run...more later.

Poppy

Anonymous said...

Hi ladies,

Oh Nancy I just feel sick for you. I know this is dreadful for you but I am glad that you are going to see family. This is a death for you and C and it is just wrought with emotions for the two of you. I am glad that C was able to get his stuff out and you are the mature one in all this.

Poppy ...glad you won on many levels but I don't really believe his tears ... the simple fact is he is still lying ie girlfriend. Just look after you and the kids first. I guess time has soured me and I do not trust ... the big T word now.

Haven't heard boo from the court yet. Idiot. Sad news is one of my dogs passed away last week. It was a teary time for the kids and I. They asked that I tell their father so I emailed him a nice polite note. He emailed back how he is so sad too and that he thinks about the kids all the time and misses them ... It was all about him. He's more upset about the dog than his family!!! Ended the letter by asking if the other animals were alright ... I wanted to vomit. 30 odd years of being together and not once did he acknowledge me. I know I'm being selfish and even if he acknowledged me I's probably still be ticked.

Classes for hospice going well ...half way through and my home looks like a tornado went through. But the good news is ...it's my place and I don't have to answer to anyone ...bonus!

Wishing all love and happiness
Cathy

Nancy said...

Hello all--

Poppy, I think the conversation with your former husband was as good as you could get at this point in your relationship. It sounds like you were able to settle several things that had been very stressful for all of you. Just the fact that he won't fight you on the kids living in the U.S. is a great win for you. Perhaps when they go to visit their father in Europe each year, he could pay for 3 tickets and you could take a side trip to Paris or London or Rome while they visit their father. I can understand him wanting them to visit, but there has to be a better way than just sticking them on a plane by themselves.

Cathy, I'm very sorry to hear about your dog. We can become so attached to our pets so that when they pass away, it truly feels as if a member of the family left us--and that's just what they are--family. I'm not surprised that his e-mail focused on the pain he was feeling. This is what gets me the most too--same as you--after all those years of marriage, what happens to the care or just plain manners of the other person? It's like they want to pretend you don't exist so they never ask you about yourself. I think that's the most hurtful of all. I'm glad your hospice classes are going well too--I'm sure you will really enjoy it!

I'm having mixed feelings today. J came over Saturday morning and spent about an hour fixing lawnmowers, bicycle tires, etc.--just things that needed to be done, at my request. He rode around on the 4-wheeler with C, we talked a little about all kinds of things--nothing vitally important--just conversation with a little legal talk thrown in now and then. It was so very familiar and comfortable. He only wanted a copy of the final divorce decree since his lawyer hadn't sent him the papers yet, but that was it--nothing else legal was really discussed and that was a relief. It made me really miss the daily conversations we used to have. I wouldn't say I love him any more, but I do really miss the friendship--but not sure I can keep that given the path he has chosen to take and the manner in which he has taken it. I still have a whole lot of recovery ahead of me, emotionally. Now I have to deal with the paperwork side of everything. I don't know anything about a quitclaim deed, but have to do it. There are the titles to the vehicles to separate, the bank to talk to about the house loan, etc. It's like this never ends--but I hate that it is going to end too, if that makes sense.

Oh well, just a crazy weekend. Heading to St. Louis tomorrow so it will be good to get away and be with my family for awhile. I think this would all be so much easier if I lived where family was--at least it might take the sting of being alone away a little.

Hope you all are having a good day. Keep going the right direction!

Nancy

Jenny said...

Hi.... My husband of almost 6 years left me a week ago and i still cry everyday. And it's all I can think of doing. He said he hasn't had any feelings for me for quite some time. I know I'm better off without him but it still hurts. And all I do is blame myself. Will the cring ever stop?????

Nancy said...

Dear Jenny,

My heart goes out to you tonight. All of us here know the pain you are feeling. It is so fresh to you that of course all you can do is cry. I'm sure you feel as if you are walking in that fog, unable to concentrate on anything and not really motivated to even go through the motions of a "normal" day. I know that for me, sleep was hard to come by and even when I managed to fall asleep, my eyes would pop open and the clock always said 3 a.m. and there was no going back to sleep easily. The crying, the appetite changes, the mood swings, the lack of sleep, the lack of motivation--they are all natural, but unwanted, reactions to what happened to you. Your world has been ripped apart and shaken off of its foundation, so you are completely right to be upset and not know what to do right now.

It's so hard not to blame yourself, but be sure to also remind yourself that you are not the one who walked out without trying--you are there and willing to work things out. Remember too, Jenny, that it has only been a week, so he may very well come back through that door and want to sit with you at a counselor's office and work this all out. As hard as it is, try not to think the worst right now--it is still very early--such a hard thing to do, isn't it?

I want to tell you something, Jenny. I don't think there is one of us here who hasn't heard the line of our husbands' revelations of not having loved us for quite some time. You know what? In all of our cases, it is a complete lie. Nobody can fake love and caring that well and then say it didn't exist at all. He just needed an excuse to justify why he walked out on you and that excuse is the most acceptable one there is. Don't be surprised if he later says that you were unhappy during the marriage too--we've all heard that one as well. There is a need for them all to justify what they have done and if they can convince themselves that we were unhappy then it takes some of the guilt away from them--down deep they know leaving like that is a cowardly act--real men stay and work out problems together. You two are a team and for him to make the decision by himself to leave does hurt terribly, I know.

You asked if the crying will stop and I want to assure you that it will indeed stop. You will then become extremely angry...and then the crying will come back, followed by the anger, etc. It's a big roller coaster of emotions, so do your best to just go with the feelings you have at the moment, but remind yourself that it will pass and a better day will come. It will NOT feel like this forever. You just keep crying and get it out of your system--by crying, you are cleansing the hurt from inside and making room for the healing to begin. After you have a good cry, though, try your best to pick yourself up and find a reason to go about your day in as normal a way as possible. It won't happen quickly, but it will happen. You can tell yourself you are better off without him --I'm sure that's what friends and family are telling you--but convincing your heart of that is not easy. Just try not to despair too early, Jenny--give it a little more time and see what happens. In the meantime, try to eat, sleep, and talk to friends and famiy, if you can. Let others listen and help you however they can--don't be afraid to ask for help. We all need it now and then. Journal your feelings or write us here and get them out instead of trying to hold it all inside. You have friends here who will stand by you as long as you need us. We understand--we have been where you are now--and we can tell you it WILL get better. The crying WILL stop and you will feel normal again. Take care of yourself right now and do what YOU need to do in order to feel like you are surviving. If you have kids, be there for them too and let them be there for you.

Sending you hugs and understanding. We are here for you!

Nancy

Jenny said...

Dear Nancy,

Thank you so much for your post! As for the counseling, he is not for it. He says he is done and has moved most of his stuff out of here. Everything around here reminds me of him and it's hard. I also feel bad that I'm so miserable to my family because of the sadness. We didn't have any kids, just cats. Everyone says I'm better off, even he said that. And I know they're right, it's just so hard to accept right now.

colleen said...

Dear Jenny
Welcome to this site. As you have gathered, we have all walked the same path and are survivors!
So, right now everyone is telling you that you are better off including him, but it's not what you want to hear - we understand that. The place you are in right now is shock and disbelief. This takes a long long time to absorb. To be honest, I still dont understand why my ex left me after 23 years.
So, all I can say to you is let your emotions come through, you have every right to be sad and confused - we understand that. In time, you will find a level of acceptance and at some stage will be able to move forwards.
Nancy - hope you are having a well deserved break with your family.
Go in love
Colleen

Jenny said...

Thank you, Colleen. :)

I know it's only been a week, but I still have zero energy to do anything. I have so much I have to do but all I want to do is curl up with my cat and sulk. The old me would NOT have done that, which upsets me even more. The ex will be picking up some more stuff on Saturday to take with him. Thank goodness I won't be here.

Maybe I'm just still in shock. I just want to be able to do the little things I once enjoyed and just move on. I'm having a hard time talking to my family because they just tell me to forget him and get over it. Easier said than done, I think.

Nancy said...

Good evening, ladies!

Jenny, Colleen is exactly correct. I think you are also still in a state of shock and rightfully so. Your entire view of your safe and predictable little world has been shaken up--make that torn up. It will definitely take awhile to come to terms with everything that is happening. Curl up with your cat and sulk as long as you need to, but then try to find something that will make you get up and go about your day as normally as possible. Do you go to school? Have a job? How is that going during all of this?

I had a lot of people tell me to just forget about him, that I'm better off without him, that in the long run my life will be much better--and I agreed with all of them on the surface (and sometimes down deep too), but the majority of time I just didn't want to hear that. They all mean well, as you know, but it is so different talking with people who have actually been where you are. I really don't think you can truly understand the magnitude of a husband leaving unless you have been in that situation. It's not something you just get over. It is a blow to your self-esteem, your security, your entire reality, or at least what you thought was real. It makes you question everything that you never had reason to question before.

When he moves additional things out, it will be very hard. It will probably be good that you won't be there at that time. Your husband sounds a lot like mine--he made up his mind and there is no stopping him. Counseling will not help, he has his mind made up, he knows what he wants and why can't you just understand and accept it? Am I close?

I don't know how you feel about it, but I found that a visit to my doctor to discuss taking an anti-depressant medication, even if only temporarily, was very helpful (and I'd never felt a need to take anything like that in the past). Another thing that really helped me, and continues to help me 3 weeks after my divorce became final, is the Divorcecare group. I don't know where you are, but if you are in the U.S., there are groups all over the country. It is a church-based support group that is attended by people going through the same things we are. If nothing else, look up divorcecare.org and you may want to subscribe to their daily devotionals via e-mail. They seem to really speak to how I feel each day. It's amazing how they relate to my mood on any given day. It's not a cure, but it is a help to me.

Keep writing and talking when you feel like it. You will never meet with anything other than acceptance and understanding here--we really do understand, Jenny. You will slowly get back to feeling a little more "normal" and find a small amount of motivation to get back to those activities you enjoy. I'm still unmotivated, I admit--doesn't seem worth the trouble--but I know I'll get back there too. Just don't rush yourself. Everybody is different and there is no timeline for you. Have you considered going to a counselor, as well? If you find one you connect with, it is very helpful.

Hang in there--give that kitty a hug and let her purr and rub all over you--pets are great listeners (I'm a cat person too).

Nancy

Nancy said...

Me again--thought I'd bring you up to date on my activities.

I have to tell you--getting unmarried is so stressful. That's probably the understatement of the year, huh? It took us about 30 minutes tops (counting getting that marriage license) to get married. It is taking me months to become unmarried. Emotionally, it is the hardest thing I have every had to deal with. Financially, it is tough on both of us too. Put those two things together and it's a bad combination. I'm doing much better now that a couple of weeks have passed since getting those final papers. I have been extremely busy with the paperwork side of things now, so I have that to distract me. I am an organizer at heart, but I'm finding it awfully hard to stay that way lately--I think I'm on document overload!

I met with my bank to see about refinancing my house yesterday to get J's name off of the mortgage. He is wanting to buy his own home (he's broke so that's not easy) and he cannot get a loan until his name is off of mine. I actually feel a little sorry for him--I don't mean him any harm or even really dislike him all that much (today anyway)--but as he said, he brought all of this on himself. He has been very stressed about money issues--or lack of. To make matters worse, he left open the door to his apartment and the cat we have had longer than our child escaped and is gone. He has looked everywhere and it is nowhere to be found. Our son is devastated--great--another loss in his young life. Anyway, looks like my refinancing is being done quickly, so that will be one load done. The titles to most of the vehicles have been switched. He didn't have his insurance card with him at the courthouse so he couldn't get his truck title--he was so irritated that he stormed out of the office. I stayed and took care of my own paperwork. I have my lawyer working on the quit claim deed to the house now--my unhusband couldn't get it done since his lawyer is not speaking to him (another story for another time)...so I think after that, almost all of the needed paperwork will be finished. I'm so tired of all of this. I just want my beach resort vacation--where are we standing on that anyway, Colleen? Have you found us a spot to use? We will need to assign Jenny a role in our organization as well--we'll think on it unless you have some ideas, Jenny.

That's it for me tonight. I'm going to try and head to bed now and see if I can actually get a full 5 hours of sleep tonight--when does sleep return to normal? I don't remember the last time I slept more than 5 hours in a row since last August. Again, I need that vacation resort--come with me, everyone.

Hope all of you are doing well--thinking of you often. Happy Mom, Poppy, Cathy, Colleen, Jenny, all of you wonderful ladies--take care of yourselves and let us know how you are doing when you find time.

Yawn! (those yawns are deceptive--they do not lead to sleep all the time) Son is tucked in my bed so I'm off to join him now. Happy Thursday to all of you!

Nancy

colleen said...

Hi Jenny
Going to let you into a wee lil secret - when he moved out, I moved all the animals into my house - 3 dogs and 2 cats, so myself and my two sons each had an animal to cuddle in our pain (he wouldn't allow animals inside the house). I spent two years cocooning in my bedroom. On the weekends I would not make my bed the whole weekend - I had nowhere to go, no-one to see, just me and my dog.
You see, I needed that time to heal - nobody will ever understand what you are going through as your pain is exclusively yours to deal with. Until someone has walked in your shoes, then they may feel free to give advice.
So, my friend, cuddle with your cat and do not feel guilty - perhaps you should consider getting some meds from your doctor to help you. We all need a little extra help at times to get through this.
I had no choice as my doctor wanted to hospitalise me very early on and I realized that I needed to come through this for the sake of my boys - they had already been abandoned by one parent and I could not let that happen again.
I have now met a wonderful man which I never thought would happen and I am finally happy and have moved on - you will too in time.
Go in love
Colleen

colleen said...

Hi Nancy
You have hit the nail on the head - 30 mins to get married and months to get divorced - doesn't make sense!
I know that you feel sorry for him, as I do at times, but this is what they wished for ...
I wonder if at some point if the ex's look back at what they have given up - not only their families, but their homes as well - all this just to start all over again - at their age!
I have realized that the reason my ex wont help me with a thing is that I have someone in my life now. He didn't want me and threw me away but also doesn't want anyone else to have me - sick hey?
So girls, as we move forward in this new chapter of our lives - who knows where it is going to lead us - but we have survived our darkest hours.
I have the perfect beach getaway for us all - tropical paradise and I will be the mussel hunter seeing as I am not allowed to be in charge of waxing!
lots of love
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Hi Jenny ... I'm Cathy one of the members of this wonderful group of ladies ... all who are class acts.

I am so sorry that this has happened to you. I hear, understand and feel your pain just like the rest of us. I can't give you a magical cure to get through this time ... I just know that you will and you will come out the other side a stronger, wiser person. Allow yourself to feel ... the tears cleanse ... in time. You are full of grief and there is no right way or wrong way to get through it ... but however you do it, it is an accomplishment. What helped with the pain for me was talking about it ... letting it out ... here ... to valued friends ... counsellor ... doctor ... the dog ... my cat. Many times I soaked my animals in tears just to have them stay beside me.

It has been two years now for ... do I cry ... not so much ... am I still angry ... Yes ... will I be angry tomorrow? ... who knows ... I'll see tomorrow.

We use love and humour and honesty on this site and you are well to a heaping plate of it and seconds and thirds if you want.

To the rest of you ... hi ... finishing school net week ... still in limbo and oh how I relate to the time it is taking getting out of this marriage .... will it ever end.

Someday ... someday that vacation resort will have to come true and I bet it will be filled with love and adventure and yes Colleen you can dive for mussels and shells and make us all necklaces ... thank God ladies she doesn't want to do the waxing ... I was beginning to get scared ...

Love you all
Cath

Anonymous said...

Hi Jenny,

I'm very sorry about your situation.
He made the decision on his own without consulting you or letting you know what he was thinking. This is what is so difficult for all of us. We had no say. It feels like you're thrown away. They've moved on before we knew that they were on their way out.
What helped me tremendously was working out, that and counseling. It took a long time to start to feel like I might feel normal again. It is a very long process. You just have to know that it will get better. You'll make two steps forward and one back but you will progress. I also found it helped to realize that although I didn't expect anything like this ever, that it was supposed to happen this way for whatever reason. It also opened other doors that I might not have ever opened. I have a much larger social base than ever and I am actually much happier in myself as a person. I never would have believed that was possible before.
You have to care of yourself. Cry when you have to then get up and do something good for yourself wether it be going for a jog, buying something new that looks good on you, or cleaning your house. Whatever it takes (healthy) Baby steps.
Here is a story that I also found helpful and it's for all the ladies here:

TWO WOLVES

One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people.

He said, "My son, the battle is between two wolves inside us all.

"One is Evil - It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.

"The other is Good - It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: "Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed.."

Peace and Strength,
Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Nancy,

Your sleeping will come back eventually. It's probably because there is always some new development that you have to process. I'm at the point that I am not surprised about anything anymore. Actually, the newest is that she owns a cat and has for ten years. I know that this sounds silly but for all our years together he couldn't go to my dad's house unless we were sitting outside because he had cats. I had to have dinners at my house because he couldn't go where there are cats. Now, all of a sudden he can sleep in her house. Just another proof of the lengths he will go for her (aside from leaving his wife and kids). I guess he was right when he said that he hasn't loved me for a long time. Probably longer than he even thinks. But you know what? I will meet someone else and they will love me for the person I am. In fact I have started dating and it makes all the difference in the world. As for the kids' father, I don't love him anymore. He made sure of that. I not angry with him (right now) anymore. I am indifferent. I don't hope that they break up anymore. Whatever happens, happens. I just want to live my life well and be happy.
Your sleeping will come back. Have you tried working out? It really helps you sleep at night.

Take care and keep plugging away.You are doing really well. I know it doesn't always feel like it but you are.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Cathy,

I feel badly that you still feel angry. You are too nice a soul to hold that anger. The anger is the worst feeling in all of this. For me it was the hardest to deal with.
I am very happy for you and the hospice work. How is that going?

Colleen,

So you're seeing someone....good for you:)
Nice to feel like a woman again, eh? Best of luck.
I'm waiting for that get away!!!

Happy Mom

Annie said...

Hello

I just wanted to tell you all just how much you have helped me get through my first two months of being alone. Same story - he walked out, no reason, just blew up and left. Funny how fast I became a terrible person in multiple emails from him after that! Nope, I did not answer any of them.

Two months later - its tough, but I do see the sun shining again. I decided that I need to do things.... so I started riding my bicycle, gardening and plan on joining the local photographic club, shooting club and even ballroom dancing classes! I just know that staying busy is the trick. Photography is my passion and I was interested to see that this weekend the camera appeared in my hand again. This is great news :)

You have all given me strength as I fumbled through these months past....Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Hi Annie,

Sorry about him leaving. Welcome to our group.
Good for you for not answering his negative e-mails. Do not take on his excuses. I'm sure you have noticed that same pattern in all our stories; It's because of you , because you did or didn't do this or that. You seem to understand that right from the start. That's great.
Btw, it's you that put that camera in your hand. You've stood up and are moving onward. Fantastic! It will get better.

Take care,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Annie

It saddens me to know end that there is yet another one who is suject to the pain and hurt of their spouse's betrayal. I know that you will survive as you have taken incredible steps to regain you. I think it is fantastic and more power to you girl. I admire your creativity and it will take you far. Welcome with open arms to the most loving supportive group of ladies. We are all at various stages of healing and have so much in common. Without question our goal is to uncoditionally love and support through our own journey. Welcome to our world ...

Cathy

Unknown said...

well isn't this my story - and just like you right down to the 3 kids - I was also betrayed by a good friend - I am looking forward to cleaning out my house with my kids and getting the yard picked up and just loving my girls!!!

Anonymous said...

Tonight I finally read the last post, I am up to date, it took about 3 weeks to get here...here is my story...my husband did not physically walk out the door (yet) (as of tonight) but he has put me through hell for the past 4 years and I am DONE.
The stories all have the same nude current. All had good marriages, the ones others aspire for and then WHAM the carpet gets pulled from under and we are on the floor with our hearts ripped from inside and splattered all over.
Mine is a long drawn out saga that at some point I will share in detail but for tonight I wanted to jump in. I have been tr yin to catch up and I feel as though I know most of you (especially the ones that have been here awhile).
your stories have been inspiring because I know I am not alone and there is light at the end of this dark scary tunnel. Thank you all for sharing...I definitely want in on this vacation get away, I'll figure out how I can contribute in some way :)
tomorrow is my birthday and he is moving out the next day...happy birthday to me!!!!!! (isn't that a reoccurring theme as well?)
I went to a Divorcecare group tonight...another step in my new direction.
time for bed...I am sure I'll be up at my usual 4am worrying about finances (more details to come)
You can call me Ca

colleen said...

Hellooo Girls!!!

Welcome Ca and Annie - sorry I haven't been on sooner - have been busy with all sorts!

Happy birthday Ca - sorry to hear what you're going through, just remember that we are all in this together, through the ups and downs and there will always be someone here for you online. Glad to hear you are at a support group, it helps knowing you are not alone.

Aaah - our vacation, of course you can join us - seeing I'm not allowed to be in charge of waxing, I'll do the fake tattoos ... wherever I decide! You need to share your talents so we may assign you a task ...

New girls - it looks like a long long road ahead and you never think you'll get there - especially financially, but somehow you do - trust me!

Sending you all love
Colleen
xx

Nancy said...

Good morning, ladies!

I have also been absent for what seems like a very long time, but I've been checking in now and then to see how everyone has been. Annie and Ca, it is so wonderful to meet you both even under these circumstances. You have come someplace where you have all the support and friends you could hope for whenever you need them.

Happy Birthday to you, Ca. You and I must be sharing a similar husband because, as you know from the posts, mine walked out on my birthday. I was extremely hurt and thought it was the height of his callousness, but I have decided to turn it around and look at it a different way now. I'm not going to have that date associated in my mind with a negative time--a date I would come to dread--doggone it! It's MY one day of the year and he's not taking that from me. Instead, I invite you to look at it the way I have chosen to see it. I'm now viewing that date, my birthday, as the date my life was handed back to me. It was the beginning of the new me, the better me, the me that could be anything I wanted--sort of my independence day, if that's not too corny. Birthday is a great name--I sort of feel reborn now and I think it was highly appropriate at this point that he chose to leave then (I say that now, 8 months later--I did NOT say that then--give it time and it will come).

Annie, we're all awful people after they walk out--why should we be good? Otherwise they would have no reason to leave--see how that works? It's part of the justification in their little minds that allows them to think they are not awful people for abandoning their families. Just don't answer, but go ahead and make a little file on your laptop to store those emails in for future reference should you ever need them. Also, when he starts being really nice and sweet and you think he's not so bad afterall, pull back up those emails and you'll remember the type of person he can be--it will make you less vulnerable to his manipulations down the road. That sounds cold, I know, but I had to constantly remind myself when things looked good that he wasn't the man I married--this was somebody who was capable of doing things I never thought he could.

Both of you hang in there and tighten your seatbelts. The roller coaster is a rough ride, but we are right there with you when you need us.

By the way, Ca, we can always use more help at the resort. I'm not liking my voodoo doll idea much anymore, so I'm looking for new ways to bring in the income for us...but we'll definitely use your talents! Uh, Colleen--you can be in charge of fake tattoos, but I beg to disagree that you get to put them wherever you like. Knowing you, those locations would be a bit eyebrow-raising. You must have limits on your thoughts, girl! :)

Have a good day, ladies--come talk later and fill us in on your days. I so need to catch up with each and every one of you. For now, though, time to go get dressed for work. Bringing home the bacon......

Nancy

Anonymous said...

Ca said...

Not a good day :(. He moved out Thursday, I went away for the weekend, last night was the first night I was home. It is very upsetting that he doesn't care how upset I am. I also feel as though he has abandoned the kids. I think he is wrapped up in his own world and just threw us out leaving me with all the respondsibilites. I know i have to be patient and things will get better with time but it is really hard right now.
Ca

Carol said...

Ca said...

It is funny how a new day brings new feelings. Today a feel better than yesterday and who knows how I will feel tomorrow. It is defintely a rollercoaster ride. Sometimes I think about the fact that i am going to be one of the statistics where 50% of marriages end in divorce. Never in my wildest dreams did i ever think i would be here. Like most of the ladies here, we did have a happy marriage. Looking back now i think our biggest problem was that we didn't fight and spent too much time together (which we enjoyed). I don't know it is still hard to wrap my head around it all.
I am trying to stay focused on the positive things. Like today i spread out some of my clothes from my closet into his (which is the walk-in). My plan is to get organized and be happy for me and my kids. (that is today's plan anyway...one day at a time).
Ca

Nancy said...

Ca,

I had good intentions of writing you last night, but we had storms come through yet again and I couldn't get a connection. I just read your second entry here and I think you and I are living the exact same life. It is eerie how your feelings echo my own and I can understand EXACTLY how you feel.

Like your marriage, my husband and I never argued and did everything together. I guess that wasn't all that healthy now that I look back on it all, but it felt right and we both enjoyed it. I don't know what happened to him but all I do know is that he made every decision and left me to clean up th pieces of my life and my child's life while he went off to make himself happy. I have been offically divorced one full month now--the papers were signed exactly 7 months to the day he abandoned me and our son. The crazy thing is that yesterday, I felt such despair and sadness that I couldn't deal with it. I ended up calling the sponsor of my divorcecare support group and she talked to me for about 45 minutes until I was calm and could breathe again. Do you know what she said that made the biggest difference to me and my approach to this entire unwelcome stage of my life? She told me to remember that I am the guide for the type of woman my son will choose for his life. That is a very powerful responsibility but one that is very true and will stick with me forever.

Good for you for taking over your husband's side of the closet. I did the same thing, but I ended up moving my son's clothes into his closet since there wasn't much room in his own. I felt like I was taking back some control then. It is the worst ride in the world to be on and yet you can't get off. I have been in a very depressed mood since last Saturday and am just now beginning to see the light again. It is also a ride that nobody can understand unless they have been on it. We are all here for you, Ca, anytime you need it. I feel a real connection to you because what I know about your situation and your feelings right now are exactly what happened to me and how I feel. Do you have anybody to call when those feelings get overwhelming and you feel like you can't breathe or sleep and feel as if you are going crazy trying to figure out something that even he can't explain? The hardest part for me right now is that the person who was my support and the person who eased my fears and soothed my pain is the same person who is causing it and isn't there in that role anymore.

Hang in there, Ca--fasten that seatbelt and know that you are not alone in your confusion and grief. We all have been sitting right where you are this exact moment--and some of us are still on that roller coaster too--we've just moved forward a few seats. :)

Nancy

Carol said...

My husband had a 4 year affair.
It blew up after I ended up calling the ow at the begining of Aug 2010. He was lying to her just as much as he was lying to me. When she heard from me SHE broke it off. He was crushed and I was there consoling him (I know it sounds crazy, but he was my best friend and he was hurting and I was sick (mentally unstable from everything he put me through). So things seemed to get better from Aug to Nov., he gave me a full confession as to their entire relationship and I thought we were on the road to recovery. I knew it would be an uphill battle but it was one I was willing to take to save my family.
The one thing that was always hanging over my head was the fact that SHE ended it and I never felt he was "over" it. I would express my concerns with him but he never wanted to go back there. So in November he decides he needs closure (translation-will she take him back) From what I gathered she wanted nothing to do with him so long as he was married. (I think during the entire relationship he would tell her he was getting divorced and then he would come home to me and tell me how much he loved me (cake-eater)).
When i learned of this need for closure I knew this woman would always be a part of our life, this was the begining of the end. He hired an attorney at this time (I was shocked) He told me I was going to be served. I hired my attorney so I would be prepared.

Nov, Dec and Jan were rough and truthfully I don't remember much since I was just trying to make it through the holidays.

The end of Jan we had a family trip scheduled. He did not end up coming (lost the airfare on that one). He was home alone for 5 days, drank himself into this bottom. He was devestated and depressed that he was alone without his family and he did not want that. When we came back once again he want to reconcile. Although at this point I had more than enough I decided to go one day at a time. Things were calm, he thought we were in a much better place than I did and it exploded once again.

all he wanted from me was to forget about what he put me through for the past 4+ years and to trust him (just because he said so). I didn't trust him and felt that ever word out of his mouth was a lie, how can you have a marriage like that? We go into a fight, I asked him to leave, a month later he left, not feeling one bit of remorse towards me or the kids.

He got a really nice place in a complex (which we cannot afford). He went out and bought everything new (we have a large house with a lot of extra furniture). He is setting up his new life and left me behind to deal with all the respondsibilites of his old life.

That is pretty much my sad story, I am sure there alot of details I left out.

Some days are better than others.
Check out this website I just heard about it on the Today Show

http://1000awesomethings.com/the-top-1000/

I really love what Colleen has said many times throughout this blog. "This rock that has been placed in your life-you can stumble and fall, or you can use it as a stepping stone." I am chosing to use it as a stepping stone.

Nancy, I too belong to Divorcecare. I really can realte to the advice you were given. I have 3 boys (and 1 girl). Also I was wondering if your ex is with another?

Thanks again for all your support.

Have a great day!
Ca

Nancy said...

Hello ladies--

Ca, thanks for sharing your story with us. Four years is such a long time to carry on an affair--did you have no idea until last August or had you suspected for awhile? I'm really sorry that you and your children are going through this. It is such a disrespectful way to treat the entire family. It sounds as if you gave him quite a few opportunities--more than many women would have, but it is something you can be proud of that you did what you could to keep your family together. You just can't have that marriage without the trust, though, you are right. How are your children handling him leaving and getting a new place?

I had a similar experience but without the husband who wanted to reconcile that you had at least for awhile. I found out the beginning of August that my husband had been having an online affair--only emotional, although he admitted it could have become physical eventually. It had been going on for 3 weeks at that time, although I do think it had been at least twice that amount of time. He had even bought her a telephone so they could speak more easily--you know how tiring typing can be when you really want to cheat on your wife. He was extremely upset for the next couple of weeks before he left and I had always thought it was because he had disappointed me and himself. When I look back now, I think it was more the hurt that he had to cut off all contact with the woman (who, by the way, was married and had 3 children who knew nothing about her online escapades themselves). Like you, I comforted him, telling him all would be okay that we would work it out--and the whole time he was mourning HER. I checked the phone records and he had no contact with her at the number I had for the next few months, even after he moved out--and he had no computer so I'm guessing unless he took up with her on the phone internet that he was good on his word there. He said he never cheated on me when we were married, but I think he is lying. I caught him a couple more times lying to me after he moved out so he could "be alone and think." He texted me, "Miss me...Sunday be great" and then made up some big story that it was for my son--uh huh. Later on my son's birthday, I was throwing out the pizza boxes my husband had brought for the sleepover and a phone number caught my eye--it wasn't his, so I called it, a woman answered, I made up some story, she hung up. When I called it back 5 minutes later, it had been disconnected. I feel he is a liar not to be trusted and that hurts almost as much as the fact that he is gone for good now--he treated me terribly.

As for now, he is dating somebody and she makes him happy, according to him. She takes the loneliness away. He said he's been dating her just 3 or 4 weeks, but I think she was in the picture long before those papers were signed. He was dating her before then, but like he told me--we're just two names on paper now, not like we're really married (this was before the divorce). As much as I don't trust him or respect him anymore, the idea that he has a girlfriend who has totally replaced me in every way is very painful to me. I'm not sure why but it is hard. I've stopped texting him and ended up writing him a 10 page letter (yes, I know--why?) as my final goodbye to my husband. I told him everything he did to me, everything he made me feel, and then analyzed why I think he did what he did. I doubt he read it and if I had to do it over again, I wouldn't have sent it...but it's out there so I'm officially done, as I said in the letter. I buried my husband! (and I truly feel as if I am a widow grieving)

I hate all of this! It is a terrible thing to go through and I'm so sorry you are finding yourself on this side of the marriage spectrum too.

More later, but off to bed for now--little man is up 30 minutes late.

Hello to everyone else! Miss you all!

Nancy

Anonymous said...

Hello again, Ladies...

Thanks so much for your support and encouragement. One day I am strong and then a day like today hits. I dreamed that he came around and we just hugged and hugged. It was lovely. And then I woke up. I know its over, even if he wanted to come back, which he has never said - I could not take him back. Trust broken is trust gone.

But that does not mean that I don't miss him terribly.

We had our own business (which I am still running), traveled to the most wonderful places, sometimes twice a year, all our kids are all grown up, moved out and independent. We literally had nothing to fight about and were together much of the time. Maybe that was the problem after all.

He has no one else in his life. I know this from others. He is a sad man, sitting on his own not too far from here, with literally nothing other than his pension and social security. He wants nothing, calls no one but every now and again I get an email that still blames me without really saying what for and saying that he "will love me forever". On our anniversary two weeks ago he actually sent me flowers with a soppy 'I love you' message! I gave the flowers away.

All said and done, its better today than a month ago. I don't hate him, I am still mostly incredibly sad and almost wish the angry stage would kick in! I am sad that we will miss out on doing so much we could have done together. aaaaarggggh

Even though the tears still flow, I have booked a sister trip to the beach in a couple of weeks time and am looking at going on a mission trip early next year. Maybe that would help heal my soul a bit too.

I have signed up for a course in photography, looking at dance classes and am learning Spanish. All this stretches me but most importantly keeps me busy in the evenings when those tears are closest. Every day people ask where he is and the story gets told again and again. I am emotionally exhausted. My son has leukemia and has a blood test every 3 months to see how his cancer is doing..... he had that test today again and now we have a three week wait for those results. Its always a tough time and maybe this is also contributing to my not dealing with things too well today.

This was not my first marriage, but it was my last. I always said it would be, believing that we would make it work - there was no reason for it not to. Or so I thought.

I felt very alone when this all happened but now I see that so many are going through the same thing and it does help in a strange way.

Thanks again, everyone, and Ca especially, I am sending you a big hug and hopes to all of you for a good and peaceful weekend.

Annie
ps - sorry for the long rant!

Nancy said...

Good morning--

Happy Mom, Poppy, Colleen, Cathy--hope you are all doing well. I'm sure you are swamped with activities and work, which is a good thing. Take care of yourselves and know that you are often in my thoughts.

Annie and Ca, how did your week end up? I hope it was better than how it started. Annie, I'm sorry to hear about your son's fight with leukemia. I know that waiting for the results of any tests like that is worrisome and exhausting at the same time. I will keep him in my prayers, if you like. It's so hard to focus on marriage, at the same time you need to have your energy for your child, especially when there are medical concerns involved. Sometimes it is just way too much at the same time!

You are right when you say how amazing it is that so many people have gone through this. I guess I always had a rosy picture of marriage my whole life, so I never even imagined that divorce would touch my life. Besides, marriage is a committment, right? You don't just break committments because you feel like it--is that supposed to even be an option? I am trying to be careful that I do not become too comfortable with the victim status I have felt and am trying to turn that into more of a survivor attitude--not really what I mean to call it, but for lack of a better word it's what I'm using. What would you call it?

I was in a very dark place this last week, only feeling like I was coming out of it the last couple of days. It's true that you just have to let those feelings go through you and not try to bury them and just keep telling yourself that in a few days things will look brighter. One thing I can say is that I no longer feel any sympathy at all for him. He is almost cocky in his new life attitude, so why should I be worried about him? I want to be done with that--look at what he has left behind in his cockiness--a little boy who tries to hide his sadness that daddy chose to go on a date last night instead of being at his baseball game where he was pitching. You know what's really bad? I was glad he did not come. It was more fun without him. I wouldn't be upset if he never showed up at anything--but that is my selfish thought and not what is best for my boy, I realize. Bad thing is that he said he would be there, but then texted me and said he wasn't going to make it just hours before the game. He didn't say why, but it's easy to piece it all together--he just got paid the day before, it's Friday night, he has a girlfriend, he says he wants to have fun--hmmm...your 10 year old son's baseball game or date night? Who among US would have trouble making that decision? Did he call his son before the game? No, although he did manage to send a text message to him while the game was going on (like he was going to be able to see it or answer it???) that said, "Have fun, buddy. Good luck." Nice. Should I be impressed he remembered him or irritated he's taking the coward way out by sending him notes when he knows he can't answer--or not calling at all because then he'd have to explain why he wasn't there himself.

I did get the refinancing done on the house, the quit claim deed filed and returned to me, so I guess I'm officially done with the paperwork side of the divorce. I guess now that it is said and done, that I feel a bit better that it is just my name on the house--it's like anytime I see our names together anymore, it is sort of a slap in the face of a reminder that what was is no longer--does that make sense?

Hope you all have a good weekend, ladies. It's back to the ballpark for us today, then to a friend's house to pick out a new kitten (I've got to be insane there--I'm even considering giving in to the hamster request again too). Life is interesting--hamsters don't live that long anyway! :)

Nancy

Anonymous said...

Hi Ladies!

It has been a while since I have checked in. Life has been so busy.

Welcome Ca and Annie. You are not alone out there!

As with everyone...it has been one step forward, 3 steps back for me.

I got some bad news...the Swedish court awarded my husband temporary full custody of the kids. Really bad for me. My husband still wants to make a deal with me, but his lawyer seems to be taking forever to respond to my proposal. If we agree on a deal, custody will go in my favor. That is what I need. Fingers crossed. We ended up going to court in Sweden and it lasted 4 hours...I was not there. My lawyer represented me. I guess he cried and said a ton of awful things about me. great.

So, nothing is settled. I thought I was close, but no.

I am trying to buy a house. Since we are still married, he needs to sign a quit claim deed. He won't sign it, so now I have to have an emergency hearing in family court for a judge to sign it.

I am just trying to move forward and he is trying to stop me.

Hopefully, I can get the deed signed and move June 1st. I really need to move out of my parents house.

I have had a few job interviews. I didn't get any of them. Another big issue for me.

On the flip side...I had a date yesterday:) A guy I met online. OMG. He kissed me. I swear, I felt like a 12 year old. (in a good way).

My kids are doing great. I continue to push life forward. I sold my apartment in Sweden and got the money. I shipped all of our things here and the container arrived last week!

It is my husband's birthday tomorrow. I sent him cards, photos and some things from the kids. I think that was really big of me since I beg him every day to sign divorce papers:) I am trying to create some good will. It isn't working that well.

I know that at some point things will start going my way and I can really move on with my life. As far as I know, he is still dating the troll with the nasty eyebrows.

Hope everyone is well! Tomorrow is a new day:)

Poppy

Anonymous said...

Hi Ladies,

Like Poppy I have been very bad about corresponding. Poppy I too seem to be at a standstill. The judge has ordered my husband's ooops ex husbans's lawyer to respond and when she did it was full of false claims misconceptions words out of context etc. Stupid stupd stupd. So here I sit. I have also gone on line but not dating. I'm not there yet. I did however meet a 43 yr old who is dying to meet me and date ... he's a nudist!!! Ahhhh NOT!!!! All you girls quit laughing right now !!!!

Ca and Annie welcome to this wonderful group of crazy characters ... I love each and everyone of them.

So really there s nothing to report except life goes on. I did realize one thing. I am not going to find a man just because my husband has someone. I found myself thinking that way. Not good. I am worth more than that and it has taken 2 years to see it and believe it.

Sending love to everyone. Keeping my fingers and toes crossed for you Poopy and everyone else ... we deserve the best.

Love and hugs
Cathy

Anonymous said...

Dear Cathy, Poppy and Nancy.
Thanks so much for your support and caring! Yes, my son can do with all the prayers possible, and I really appreciate that so much.
This has been a horrible horrible road to walk. These past two weeks have been ugly and I should have known that it was going to come to this.
I had to call the police twice last week, file an order of protection and I also started divorce proceedings much sooner than I wanted to. I am not financially ready to do this and probably not fully emotionally ready either, but I have to do this in order to move on with my life. I have to find a way to stop him from jerking my chain and having the power over where I live and work. He even took my dog last week!! He sent it back after I filed the order of protection, but still. Its all just a game to him - a power game.

And yet I read your stories and some how feel comforted. Is that crazy? I hope you dont take offense at that at all..... but its true. I wish for you all to have a smooth road, but thats just not going to happen, is it?

Here's wishing you all a peaceful rest of the week.

love and light
Annie

Nancy said...

Hello, girls!

I hope that the beginning of this weekend has found all of you with high spirits.

Poppy, I hate to hear about the temporary full custody judgment. I know it will all work out in your favor in the end, but it sure is frustrating now, isn't it? I wish you good luck with the job interviews too--that would be a great relief to have that taken care of. I'm guessing you can't work for the same company you did but from CA--or are you just looking for something new? (by the way, oo-la-la you little kisser you! Good for you!)

Annie, you poor girl! How terrible that you had to actually call the police over his actions. I hate that for you. You deserve so much better and should never have to deal with this. It sounds as if you are doing everything right, though--hang in there! It will get better! Also, it is not odd at all that you find our stories comforting--so do I! :)

Cathy, I say go for the nudist! Think of how much time you would save not having to do laundry. It takes guts to be a nudist, I think--I can't even buy a swimsuit that doesn't have a skirt around the bottom to hide my abundant upper thighs. Wonder if they will ever bring back those full length swimsuits with the bloomers and the hat--sign me up! I'm sorry to hear about the standstill with your lawyer too. It's just been going on for so long that I'm sure you are just so ready for it all to be over with. I'm really sorry he turned out to be such a jerk!

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Nancy said...

(continued)

As for me, I have to tell you that I have had major changes in my situation--and you all are going to not believe me when I tell you what happened at the end of it. I found out that my unhusband had brought his girlfriend to my son's baseball games--not once, but twice this last week. I found out because another of the moms saw her sitting in his truck during the game. I was furious and practically begged him to not bring her to events where I was going to be. He got mad and told me that we were divorced and he could do what he wanted (basically) and if he wanted her to come, then she was going to come. How insensitive and cruel, I thought. I burst into tears and after a minute or two came to the realization that i was forcing out the tears and wasn't as upset with her as I should be. It hit me that he was exactly right--we were divorced and he really could do what he wanted no matter how much it might hurt me. But you know what? When I stopped trying to make myself upset, I realized I was sort of okay with the idea of him having this girlfriend since I knew who it was. She didn't break us up, but they did date before we were officially divorced.

Here's where it gets weird: I asked J to bring her to the baseball game the following night so I could meet her. Yep--I wanted to talk with her because I figured we needed to meet if she was going to be in our son's life. I had known about her for years since she is one of my husband's co-workers, but there was never anything romantic until probably Christmas time or so. It was awkward at first, but you know what i discovered? I really like her. Pick your jaws up off the floor. I actually like her more than I like my unhusband. We talked for almost 2 hours during the game about a little of everything and she is somewhat like me in personality (well at least a little). I feel good about it and am not jealous at all--at least right now. My son has been out with her and J all day long and I'm really okay with it. If it weren't for him, we could be friends who hang out together. I think I should be inducted into the Ex-Wife Hall of Fame! What helps too is that she is younger than me by about 6 years but she looks 10 years older (smoker)--she doesn't wear makeup, she is just average. No threat at all to my self-esteem. Is this weird?! I think we can make this work at this point in their relationship--we all can love C and I think get along. Funny how uncomfortable it made J--bet he was shaking in his boots watching us talking from a distance. :) I like that! I'm now the wonderful ex-wife to him--at least today--and best of all, I feel like a burden has been lifted from my heart. Crazy!

Interestingly enough, she was recently divorced from her husband of 22 years who was unfaithful to her. I have a feeling that as she was going through her heartache and my unhusband was going thru the same heartache (or whatever he went through), they bonded and their casual friendship turned into more. I question whether or not it was a good idea for them to jump into it before the ink was dry on either divorce decree, but that's not my business. I was the one who comforted him as his friend 13 years ago when he divorced his first wife--best friend turned into wife--wondering if the cycle will be repeating again here in the near future. As I said, I know this will all sound really REALLY bizarre--it does to me too. I was prepared to hate her just because she took a role that I used to have--but she wasn't responsible for us breaking up, I do know that, and I feel for her in some ways because she has no idea what he can really be like once the newness and excitement of the courtship become old. I'll fill you in more later, but right now they are all 3 on their way over to my house to drop C off. Yes, she is coming to my house with my permission. Am I the modern ex-wife or what--or am I just slightly insane at this time?
Nancy

Anonymous said...

Nancy - wow. Good for you. I dread the day I have to deal with that. It sounds like your ex is in a 'cycle'. He sounds quite insecure. You have acted in a very mature way...I am impressed.

My situation has not moved an inch. My ex will still not sign any papers to allow me to purchase the house I want. It is so stressful. I am waiting for an emergency action by the court. ugh. The CA court is sending endless letters to him and his employer saying that he has to pay child support or they will garnish his wages ($1700 a month). He is really mad about this. I have told him I will lower the amount.

The fun continues.

I didn't get the job I interviewed for.

I feel exhausted by my life. ugh.

When does it get easy? Probably never.

Oh, and, my daughter has head lice. Add that to the fun. With my luck, I will get it.

Poppy

Nancy said...

Poppy, it is such an exhausting life, you are right!! Doesn't it feel like you have been standing in line waiting your turn for "the good life" forever? You definitely have had more than your share of challenges and not even being in the same country adds to the challenge tenfold. You are such a strong woman to be able to deal with all of this as well as you have. I would not have had half the strength you have already shown--and with the overall positive attitude and sense of humor you have kept through it all. That would not be me at all in your shoes. I am very impressed by YOU. You are taking charge of your life and doing what you need to do for yourself and your children and you just don't give up--ever. It would be the easiest thing to do and yet you are still applying for jobs, dealing with the housing situation over there, fighting for your children (a given for all of us), not being weak with him at all. I admire you so much. You are much more stable than I am, that's for sure.

I woke up this morning, having dreamed of the three of them--my exhusband, his new girlfriend/lover, and my son walking into Home Deport together yesterday morning like a big happy family, going to the miniature golf and go-kart place, riding the rides at the little fair in town--every single event that I used to do with them as part of OUR family. And when I fully woke up and realized that I have been totally replaced right now, it hit me again with a flash of pain that I hadn't felt in a little while (dang it--he just now called and hearing his voice at this moment is not good for me). Anyway, I hate this up and down, down and up, flip and crash world we are in. I really do like the woman, at least what I know about her after talking with her--but I also know that I am faking the happiness and carefree attitude I am showing to the two of them. I don't want to be the bitter ex-wife...I want to be able to get along as much as possible and I want my ex-husband to think positively of me and my ability to be somebody that he can respect. I don't know why that is important to me, but it sort of is. Besides, I figure if I can keep faking my happiness for them as a couple that maybe down the road, the fakeness will become real and that will be another step in my healing process. I know she didn't break up my marriage, so I can't be bitter toward her--but seeing her in my shoes as the happy family of 3 while I'm watching them go off or while I'm hearing about the fun they had together does hurt. You know what? I realized I still feel married in my heart and to hear my husband say they need to get going so they can get to bed and get some sleep did not feel good. My gosh! When does this ride really end?!

Poppy, you hang in there. Life will definitely turn around eventually. You are doing really well--it's just too much right now. The lice had to feel like the final straw to a stressful week, huh? Darn it! I have no idea when this will all feel better--it's getting there one step at a time--but why is it such a long path? By the way, I did give HER a tour of my house--wondered if I should take down the family pic in the hallway, but I didn't--it's there for my son only and he would probably remark on it if it was down. She seemed a bit uncomfortable in the house--can't say I blame her--but it was my turf, so to speak--and I felt a little more in control.

Love you all--
Nancy

colleen said...

Hey Girls
Poppy - really sorry to see you're stuck between a rock and a hard place, this must be so draining on you - hugs!
Nancy - wow girl! what an amazing woman you are. You are so right, it is not her fault, so I applaud your attitude and dignity!
Cathy - I'll be sending you some fig leaves - and a sock for him!
My news: still having fun and keeping the boyfriend on his toes. My ex is back to calling me "love" - not reading too much into it - he probably wants me back as his best friend - guess what? not gonna happen! but at least we can be friends.
hugs to all you girls
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Colleen and Nancy...thanks for your kind words!

Well, it is another week. I told you I am trying to buy a house and my ex needs to sign a quit claim deed..well, he did it. A miracle. He had to go to the US embassy and get it notarized and fed ex it here. It should arrive tomorrow, with one day to spare before the close of escrow. So, it looks like I will be a homeowner next Wed! OMG. Major step forward. All my 'stuff' will be delivered on Thursday and I can move on Friday. I begged and begged him and had my banker email him and my lawyer email him and I begged some more and he did it. He will not, however, sign the divorce papers. ??

Still no new job. Need to focus on that next.

So, I went on a 2nd date with the guy I met on the internet...a total disaster. So, i will tell you about it. We met at a sports bar for dinner because we both wanted to watch a game while we were out. He got there first, was at the table when I arrived, I walked over, said HI! and, he didn't even get up to greet me. Bad start. Sat down, had a nice conversation a few laughs, ordered dinner, etc. All this time, he is checking his blackberry. Looking at his emails, whatever. So annoying. I have a blackberry and understand this bad habbit, but when you are on a date?? I should also say that we have talked on the phone every day since the last time we met. So, I am annoyed about his blackberry...then after dinner, he picks it up again and starts typing something. So, I grabbed it out of his hand and hid it behind me and told him that he was being so annoying. Then he says in a loud voice 'but, it is my ex wife!'. WHAT? I am beside myself. Go to the bathroom. Come back and say that I want to go. He is pissed. Pays the bill and we walk outside to our cars. He won't speak to me. I tell him sorry, that maybe I over reacted. He refuses to talk still. Gets in his car and leaves. He sends me a text from his car that he wants me to let him know when I get home so that he knows I got home safe. So, I do. Haven't talked to him since.

Disaster. His Ex was out of town and his kids were with their grandma. He sees his kids alot. He also mentioned his ex like 5 times in our conversations. So annoying. I think I am done with him. I haven't talked to him since our not so fab dinner 2 days ago.

Dating is going to be hard.

But, life goes on:)

Poppy

colleen said...

Hi Poppy
Congratulations on your new house - pity we can't have a house warming for you - what fun that would be! Wonder why he's dragging his heels on signing the papers - perhaps he is trying to hold onto you in some form of control?

The job will come to you when the time is right.

Ok - onto your date - no no no - dump him! Clearly he is not in your league if he cannot even stand up to greet you and on his bb all night? One thing I did learn is when I started venturing out, is that I accepted certain types of behaviour because I wanted someone to like me and my self confidence was at an all time low. You need to remember how special and unique you are and don't drop your standards just because you are lonely.

I am 3 months into my new relationship and with him being 15 yrs younger there were a couple of things which bugged me - little things like forgetting to pour my drink - so I just sit there, raise my eyes and wait - he gets the message quickly! I know what I want and deserve.

Nothing wrong in going out and experiencing new men, you need to ... but always remember that because you are beautiful, successful, strong and independent, men are going to want you - but you have the right to choose.
take care
love
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Hi all,
Annie I am so sad that you have to protect yourself but you are wise to do that. Your ex sounds much like mine ... very sick and full of revenge. I too wish your son health and send prayers.

Nancy ... hi girl ... you know it takes courage to do what you did for your son and for your own piece of mind. Of course there will be up and down feelings over it but the good thing is you are moving on and that is a HUGE accomplishment.

Poppy ... Oh wow things just seem to drag on for you and you keep jumping over the hurdles ... there will be an end to this. The date sounds like a total washout ... a least the only way you can go now is up ... I have met some real dandies over the internet. It has toughened me up to say the least.

About me ... no news ... and no I didn't go out with the nudist despite suggestions of socks and fig leaves I just couldn't see myself reading the paper in the nude with him and I'm okay for laundry soap so it won't be too expensive to wash clothes.

Just wanted to touch base with everyone ... it's still an up and down battle. Good days ... bad days ... and when they are bad they are bad and vice versa.

Sending much love and wild hugs to all

Cathy

Anonymous said...

wow!!! a month ago my husband of 7yrs left me and my beautiful 4yo daughter, instead of picking out linens we were picking out baby names cause we wanted more children and...... boom he ups and leaves i have read many stories, articles, books, you mane it but this story by far surpasses any other. so far i read it twice and feel a whole lot better, its true when your perfect little life crashes you feel like you are the only one, i dont feel alone now! there are people just like me! i am 28 feel like my life is over! whos gonna want me and my baggage??? but finally i have some peace. this story felt real, felt liek the words came straight from mind! i know i have a long road ahead of me like anyone else i wish things can just kick into turbo but they cant and i finally understand this. its been an emotional roller coaster and us woman only continue to amaize me. men are pigs! cruel cruel lying cheating dirty pigs! one thing i would like to add is i dont know if i am the only one probably not but i wake up every morning cursing the shit outta him!! literaly calling him every name in the book wishing for very bad bad things, then i have my coffee and go to work lololol if so, when does that stop???

Anonymous said...

Anonymous - welcome to the group. Sorry to hear he walked out on you and your 4 year old. It is really hard. I am sure it has been a long month. If you haven't already, get a therapist...it will help.

I wish we had the answers, but we don't. If I knew 'why' mine left me and my kids, it would be so much easier. When people ask me what happened, I always say...'I don't know'. And, it has been over a year! I still wake up calling him an ass. I am not sure that will ever change.

As for me...I continue to struggle with most things, but I did get my ex to sign the right paper and I was able to buy a house for me and my kids. Escrow closed yesterday and my things are being delivered today. My kids are really excited. I ended up buying lots of things (couch, TVs, BBQ, etc) from the previous owners which will help me get settled.

The weird thing is that I can't get happy about this for some reason. I don't know what is wrong with me. It is really such a big deal. A big step forward. As you know, I am living with my parents...ugh. So done with that. (I am only moving 3 miles away).

I still have no visitation agreement with my ex. He said he would withdraw the Hague and let me stay in the US (he has not actually done this).

It is my birthday this Saturday. I am looking forward to it. I hope everyone is doing well.

Poppy

colleen said...

Welcome Anonymous
As you can see, we are a bunch of survivors getting through this - we're not quite sane at times but pull each other - sorry for what you are going through - life sucks doesn't it? But we will always be here for you to chat.

Cathy, I know you're feeling awful - I'm sorry that the judge was such a prick! But know we all love you dearly ...

Poppy - I am so excited - a fellow 4th June GEMINI - it's my birthday too - so we'll toast each other!

take care girlfriends
love Colleen

Anonymous said...

OMG...you guys are going to laugh. Just talked to my ex (he is over in Europe). I am begging him to move forward with our visitation agreement. His lawyer is so slow...

He says to me...'you know, you have never said that you are sorry to me'...WHAT? hello. I said 'just to remind you, from my perspective, you are the one that left with a backpack and said that you were done. I never wanted any of this.' and, I could hear him getting mad that I was trying to blame him. So, I said...'I am sorry. The situation we are in is not ideal. I never wanted any of this.'

Sometimes, you just need to tell them what they want to hear, I guess. He never said he was sorry. Everything continues to be my fault. He is like a 46 year old child. He needs to be mothered. Forgot how to be a man.

I will be as nice as necessary until he signs the agreement which will take away all of my legal mess.

Really...he wants me to say sorry.

ugh.

Poppy

Anonymous said...

Colleen..we have the same birthday?? Fab. It is going to be a great day. I like to think of it as a day for new beginnings. I need a new birth year to begin...

Happy early birthday!

Poppy

Anonymous said...

Okay girls ... move aside ... I'm going to let loose here ... this may be a two section rant. I'm so mad I can't spell so bear with me.

Anon ... welcome to this band of survivors ... there is strength here and reality ... please join us ... we understand all too well what is happening to you ... I don't think there is a self help book that can give you the love and reality that you find here. Yes after two years I wake up and curse the SOB that did this too me.

Poppy glad the house is coming ... once you have it and get your things in it and your kids visitation etc sorted out ... gradually it will become yours and you will find it is your haven ... your safe spot.

Nancy ... hi ... I know there is alot of confusion around you. All I can say is look after you. Put your needs ahead of all others. C will reap the benefits of it in time ... remember he is watching you and learning from your actions and decisions. I try to handle a situation how I would want my kids to handle it should this ever happen to them. Guess it's a general rule. Hope it makes sense.

Okay ... the decision from the judge is in ... after two years and 10K I have a decision. 1K per month till I retire or circumstances change ... I pay medical benifits and my pension will be split as to the date of separation when I retire. He gets off all court costs as I do.

So he got to lie, cheat, steal, purger himself in court, commit adultrey numerous times, take up with his girlfriend, be supported by her , collect CPP (Canadian Pension Plan) sleep with his whore and not work and take a friggin sewing course to keep busy while I work full time and live on the exact same amount. Wiil continue

Anonymous said...

Part 2

I can not begin to tell you how I feel. How does one move forward with baggage like this? How does one not become resentful with this sentence. To be honest I just wish for a big MI for him ...just get it over with and leave this earth and your sorry exsistence as a member of the human race and I use the term loosely.

It is offical ... I am poor. Every penny will be counted. My clothes will be second hand and food will be specials in an effort to make ends meet.

I have never done harm to another soul and I question what I did to deserve this. Does it mean I have to become like him ... no way ... I will not ... will not give up my integrity. I look at my kids and I know without them I would have chosen not to go on. They are my rocks and foundation even though they have their own lives.

The last slap was that my lawyer has dropped me as there is no more money and he feels I can go the rest alone. As soon as I can raise some money ???? I can get the paperwork and get my divorce done ... it just a matter of filing.

So this is my tale of woe girls ... thanks for listening and yes I do know that life will go on ... right now I'm hurting ... and I've had enough.

Sending love to all ... you guys are my rocks too ... somehow I just never feel alone..

Love Cathy

Anonymous said...

Thank you everyone for the warm welcome, you can call me Angela aka unlucky# 7! Today i am very angry! as you all know hubby left me with a beautiful 4yo daughter, but besides leaving me he took everything with him its been a month and i had a wonderful relationship with his family (sisters cousins aunts uncles his mom & dad) for the past month i tried to keep contact and finally it hit me everything has changed by him taking everything with him he took his family away as well. i relaized now that the relationship i once had with everyone is now over and what i thought was genuine is really not reality anymore. i use to be the best of friends with my assholes sisters, but now i feel everyone is tip toeing around me. i am the only child father passed away before our wedding i felt safe knowing my father knew who i was marrying and had his blessing, and this is what he does to me. very hurt and very sad i feel as if i can not shake it off. im finally sleeping but still find myself waking up in the middle of the night glacing at his side of the bed. i worry so much about my daughter right now he is a part of her life but god knows once he finds another woman ( if he hasnt already) he will be out of her life and that is a very scary thought. i was told a very smart thing "a man loves his children as long as he loves their mother" i wonder if that is true. i search for answers we arent communicating well so its not like i can sit and talk with him, actually i feel as though he avoids me and when we do see eachother (when money is due!) he is very cold not the person i married not the person who 2 days before leaving was all over me like white on rice. he left me very mentally and emotionally confused i know what i am feeling is normal however i am so drained all i want to do is lay around and weep. we were 17yo when we met 11yrs together 7 married and never a dull moment!! always out dancing drinking vacationing even with our beautiful daughter we never stopped we were always very into one another. what the heck went wrong?? how is it one day ur all over me and then next day "i dont love u, i have no feeling, i got to go!!!" we were alwasy the "star" couple holding hands, PDA!! you name it! we turned heads. there were no signs of him leaving. him walking out that door he took friends family and my dignity. but still i want what any woman wants him to come crawling on his knees begging pls! i guess thats the sweet revenge we are all looking for? has that happened to any of you? lol if it does happen to me i hope i am strong enough to say NO! lol

thanks to all for the venting it sure as hell makes me feel a whole lot better :)

Angela awa Unlucky#7

Nancy said...

Cathy, I don't know why anything would still shock me now, but I have to say that how that judge came up with that ruling is beyond me. The law just doesn't care what happens to lead to the court case and that seems wrong. You did nothing wrong to deserve the treatment you got from HIM. I don't even know what to say other than to try and have faith that it all evens out in the end. I know that doesn't help, but I still believe you can't treat people however you want and still have great things happen in your life. He will get his one of these days--you can count on that! Very irritating that the settlement came out like that. It doesn't even make sense by any stretch of the imagination. This is definitely one huge flaw in the law--he did everything wrong and yet he gets rewarded financially for it. Remember, Cathy, that this will all catch up with him one day (or, as my sister tells me, "that Fu--er will get his!" It definitely applies here too). I'm really sorry that it worked out this way at this point--judge has no scruples, HE has no redeeming qualities at all, but you can still go on with life holding your head up high. Hang in there, Cath!

Poppy, congratulations on the house. Sounds like you are just so overwhelmed by everything else going on that excitement over the house is just a bit delayed. I agree that once you get in there and start to get settled that you will feel a bit differently about it all. I am not surprised one bit about him thinking you owed him an apology. It is just confirmation of what a narcissist he really is (my new favorite term). Life is all about him and he has been so mistreated--so hard to type that without rolling my eyes. What an ass! Do what you need to in order to get that Hague case dropped and for him to sign whatever needs to be signed to just get rid of the problem. You're doing great!

Colleen, always full of such good advice and comments. You say it just like it is--such a good trait and the way you say it never offends anybody at all--it just makes so much sense and makes everybody feel just a little bit better. Sounds like we are all just about ready for that vacation--is the beach almost ready?

Angela, welcome. I'm sorry about your troubles. We can all relate to the worries about how this will affect your little girl too. Keep a close eye on her and don't forget to take care of yourself at the same time too. I'm sorry that the family is torn. It's like they feel they are being disloyal to him if they talk to you, and yet it just feels like another slap in the face when they don't respond, doesn't it? It will all work out!!!

Love,
Nancy

Anonymous said...

Hi Angela ... everything you said made perfect sense ... all the emotions ... the anger the confusion etc.I am alone too ... the only one in this part of the country ... his brothera and sister were a part of my life for over 30 years and now I do nor even warrant a hello and worst of all neither do my children from their aunt, uncles and cousins. I wish I could tell you it were different but it isn't. It is a very cruel time. You will however find people who you least expected will love you unconditionally. That means more than the losses of empty shallow people. Yes I too wake up and wish to find someone next to me ... it was a part of my life but it just doesn't exsist. My mind wants to play tricks on me at times by remembering the good times ... the early years but the reality is, it is long gone and then I think of the betrayal... the hurt and realize my life is better now ... even though I have been forced to pay the idiot support.

Angela what you are going through is grief and no matter how you get through it, it is an accomplishment. You are on the right track my dear ... just trust us .... we are right there with you ... above all we understand what you are going through. None of this was our choice ... bur we do have a choice of supporting each other and caring.

To the rest of you ... thanks for your support. Life will go on for me ... he hasn't got the best of me yet ... at least that's what I said last night after a bottle of wine. Woke up with a headache this am but no regrets lol.

Can we have wine at the spa please!!

Love to all
Cathy

Nancy said...

Good for you, Cathy! Of course he hasn't gotten the best of you yet--he won't ever get the best of you. You keep that wine coming! (and be sure to share--bring lots)

I, for one, am casting my vote to build a wine cellar for Cathy at the spa. You can be the wine master, or whatever they call it. I'll have to skip the wine, but I would like to have some of those pineapple drinks with little umbrellas in them. Does that make me the fruit master?

I hope everyone has had a better day today. I went to my divorcecare support group and I have to say that it is helping me. This is my second go-round at it, but I'm at a different point now than I was when I started it last December, so I'm able to view the topics a little differently and get more out of them. The group this time consists of me and 2 men. It is very interesting to hear their viewpoints, especially since they are the ones dealing with unfaithful spouses. The same hurt is there for them as it is for all of us. Tonight's topic was about new relationships and knowing when you are ready for a new one. They suggest that it takes about 1 year for every 4 years married before most people are ready to enter a new relationship. That makes 3 years for me, and I honestly can say that I don't see anything happening before that time. I have absolutely no desire at all to get involved with any male at this point in a romantic manner. Companionship, yes--friendship, yes--marriage? Absolutely not! Check back with me in 3 years. :)

Had to drop my son off to spend the weekend with his father yesterday and was not really surprised to see the new girlfriend in the truck with him. What did surprise me was how I reacted as I drove away from them--I burst into tears and cussed J out all the way home. She was sitting in the exact seat where I used to sit, driving away with my husband and my child--big happy family of 3, but with a new mother/love in my place. It was like I was experiencing deja vous watching the truck with 3 happy people in it go on an adventure--but the deja vous ended when I realized I was on the outside looking in and she was on the inside enjoying the exact same experiences I had always had with the two of them. Same life, new woman. I hate to admit it, but I still like her--I just don't like how the sight of the 3 of them together, or the memories they are making together, make me feel. I know that is my hangup and one that I will get over eventually. She actually said she understood exactly how I felt because her exhusband and his girlfriend went on a family vacation with her children, posted family pictures of all of them on facebook, and she felt as if she had been totally replaced--then she said she knew she never could because she realized she was their mother and the girlfriend would never take that role. She was actually comforting me--said she knew I was having a hard time and wished she could make it easier on me, but she wanted me to know that she felt thankful that I was making it easier on everyone and that I inspired her because she could never accept her unhusband's girlfriend like I had accepted her. I think I confuse both of them. :)

My roller coaster is not quite as steep today....that's a nice change. How are the rest of you doing on your rides?

Nancy

Anonymous said...

well as for me.... my roller coaster is sometimes steep sometimes not im just trying to get by i re-joined with my single girls are they sure as hell are not keeping me in this depression im finally smiling, dancing and conversating. I saw my ex (aka F@#$ face)at my daughters recitle i was the bigger person and informed him about it and he actually showed up. but i played a beat to a different tune im more alert and not falling in love at the sight of him, infact i think he is an ugly person, i had my head up high and smiled along the way which something he isnt use to. we had little coversation but very hostile. i dont understand why the hodtility in him very angry while i was chipper and happy. later that day he informs me that we need to re negotiate "terms" (money) wtf!! i basically agreed to every term why would he do this so after our convo basicall he said he isnt going to provide and means of support me and out child. ofcourse i called my lawyer right away. he left me! he walked out why be all angry and cruel i just dont get it? i did nothing wrong to him i dont need his money but our daughter does. men are ugly ass creatures! i call them hanibals lol he asked for this so he can be happy it was all about him but now he sees im putting my puzzle back so he doesnt like that? what effin gives! and i still cant believe a man would go after a womans money thats just mind blowing thats not a man! thats a whimp! who raised them?? their dear mommys obviously didnt do a good job! sorry but their family reflect on their behavior be cause im seeing the true colors of my ex's family and it makes alot of sence to me. as soon as my ex left me he went to him mommy he is living there now, his mother forces his younger sister out of her bedroom and gave it to her poor lil son..grose!!! reall? im mean seriously really? good job mommy ur baby boy will always be a baby boy and never a MAN to any woman. i do often ponder him crawling back on his knees im sure thats natrual thought to have. i would like to know if that happened to you ladies? and if so how was it handeled? just curious i think thats the best revenge.

Angela aka unlucky#7

Anonymous said...

Carol said...
Hello to all. I posted a while back. For those who need a refresher...I would have been married for 20 yrs this July, I have 4 great kids and was dealt the same hand as all of you here. Angela, your story sounds way to similiar to mine. We were the "perfect" couple. The one everyone wanted to emulate. Very affectionate, lots of PDA, spent every minute together, etc. This is how it was close to the end as well. My non-husband meet his "friend" at work in 2007. This was the beginning of my nightmare. I would tell him that it was an inappropriate relationship but he would reassure (lie) me that they we just "friends". Anyway this went on for about 3 years and my gut told me there was much more to this than he was telling me. I have tons of stories about all the lies he told me throughout those 3 years but i"ll move onto year 4 (2010)

Anonymous said...

Carol said
In jan of 2010 he came to me to confess about SOME of the details of "their" relationship. I told him I was willing to do what ever it took to make it through. He told me that is what he wanted also. So we went from Jan to July on a ridiculous rollercoaster ride. He didn't want to deal with what he did to me (the lies and cheating) he just wanted me to forget about it and move on. My response was always "how can i move on if it hasn't stoped?" But i was the crazy one...he would claim that he didn't see or speak to her (more lies) Fast forward to July. For some reason I called her. Basically to let her know that I exist and that he has lied to her (he would tell her we were getting divorced, he would come home to me and tell me how much he loved me etc) When I spoke with her i guess she saw some light and ended it with him.

Anonymous said...

Carol said..
So the summer was good, we were really working towards making this work. He confessed much more to me. I thought I found the man that i had been with for the past 17 years come back...i was wrong. In Nov, just when I started to let my guard down, he needed to get "closure" my translation...he wanted to see if she would take him back. More drama ensued. Since that point nothing was ever the same again. He hit a bottom in Jan when I took my kids on a vacation without him. I came back and was willing to take one day at a time, he thought that things were going back to the way they were. It did't work for me. Everything blew up by the end of March. He moved out at the end of April and although I am angry that I don't have the life that i always thought I was going to have, I feel freer.

Anonymous said...

Carol said...
Along my journey I found this great blog that helped my enormously (although it took about 2 weeks to read all the posts) it was very theraputic. I have therapist, I belong to divorcecare, go to a gym , yoga and i read alot more now than I have ever done in my life. I KNOW that it is not my fault. I KNOW i did everything I could have to save our marriage. But i have found some truths along the way. One of the biggest is
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.
I have many others that i will post at a later time. Right now I have to get to my daughter's baseball game, he is not going to be there so I need to take advantage of that.
Have a great weekend to all!!!
Carol

Anonymous said...

Hello everyone, I just found this board today. It is June 12, 2011. Are you guys still around? I really need your help.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I see the last comment and that this board is still active.

My story is very similar to many that have been described here and I feel so comforted to find I am not alone and that there are other women I can talk to about this. I feel like most people really don't want to hear about it. It makes them uncomfortable, like dealing with someone who is disabled or something. I think people think: "there but for the Grace of God." I know it's 2011 but I do feel there is still such a stigma even if you are the one being left and have done nothing wrong. I feel like immediately people start looking at you strangely just because you no longer have a husband.

I have been married for 17 years. My husband hit me with the news and a letter from a lawyer last October. Two little girls, 8 and 5. I am totally heartbroken; can't believe he is the same person and that he is capable of all this cruelty towards me and towards the girls.

Not just leaving me and breaking up the family, but the cruelty that came afterwards. He said to me, "I have a lot more money than you do (family money, so I can't touch it), I'm going to take you to court for years and I'm still going to take the girls away from you anyway." Making me move, stayed here until about 3 weeks ago, so I had to live with him the whole time, took me to court. Now is trying to take 60/40 of our assets.

This is based on the fact that I went back to work last April and was making more money than him. No alimony, wants to go 60/40 on the girls' expenses.

And then on Friday I lost my job. I just don't know how I can keep dealing with every day. I just feel like I can't make it through any given day. I am so so tired just trying to keep it all minimally together.

Nancy said...

Hello, ladies--

Welcome to all, new and returning friends. Another weekend over, another start to a new week--makes you wonder what this one will bring, doesn't it?

Quick update on my situation--not really too much new since the last time I wrote, although I did have a bit of a "friendly" confrontation with J following the comment my son made regarding how Daddy and his girlfriend slept together that weekend our son visited (for the first sleepover in about 4 months)--this also after the girlfriend and I had an open discussion about how important it was to realize that this little boy was NOT ready to see intimate-like affection between his father and another woman who wasn't his mother yet (and the girlfriend, being a newly divorced mother herself) totally agreed. So, to hear that 2 weeks later they are tucking my child onto the couch and then heading to their own bed about 20 feet away, made me a bit on the mad side. I have no doubt at all that it was J who insisted she stay over since it was no big deal--but for her to agree after we had talked about it and how it was too much too soon for the little guy just hit me as very disrespectful (as if that should surprise me anymore, huh?). I tried to have an open discussion with J about possibly considering other options right now when our child is visiting him overnight and he didn't say too much--didn't seem angry at all but more surprised I thought it was a big deal.

I told him I would e-mail him my concerns since it wasn't a great time to talk with little ears present and such. I sent him what I thought was a very nice, understanding, but concerned e-mail--nothing about us at all, and honestly it was not jealousy or anything like that at the root of the letter. I just honestly feel as if he is not being the father I know he could be--where is his common sense, his concern about what his child sees? My gosh, he used to criticize his own siblings about the same types of behaviors and now he's doing the exact same thing. Anyway, that's not necessarily a surprise there as he is not the same man I knew anymore--what did sort of surprise me is that I got no response at all from him--nothing. I even suggested that we meet just one hour a month for a "parent meeting" where we just went over schedules, talked about how our boy was doing, just exchanged any information we needed so that we could work together as parents--like he has basically begged us to do from the second he left. Again, no response whatsoever.

He has reacted to this the same way he has chosen to react to everything this last year--ignore it and it will all go away. The counselor told me that the 2 of us were very different and she was sort of surprised we did so well for the 11 years we were together (until last August). He is a hider--he does not want to deal with anything that will either put him in a bad light or that will create any kind of uneasy feeling in him--so he ignores it and it goes away in his mind. I am a solver. If there is a problem, I want it out in the open, talk about it, solve it, and move on without having the shadow of it moving with me. I had just gotten used to swallowing my arguments or need to talk it out so that it didn't cause conflict in the marriage. Oh well...old news.

(to be continued)

Nancy said...

(continued)

The good part of him totally ignoring my requests for considering what our child was able to deal with at this point is that I FINALLY realized it is all about him, in his mind. This had nothing to do with me and yet he still chose not to address any of it. If he won't take concerns about our son seriously enough to even discuss it or do something he doesn't want to do for the good of the child, then what kind of man is he really? It sort of made me turn a corner with my feelings about him--I lost a new amount of regained respect for him, if that makes sense. I see him exactly for what he is right at this moment, and I do not like what I see. I know there is absolutely no way I could ever live with this man again and that was actually sort of a freeing revelation. I really don't like him much at this moment and if I had a choice to take him back or not, I could not do it knowing that he would never change and I could never put up with him the way he turned out ever again.


So, I'm not necessarily happy about it all, but I am finally over the crest of a very big hill that had been one on which I backslid many times--that hill of "he's not so bad...poor him...I feel bad for him because he doesn't know what he's doing and will wake up and regret it one day." I think I'm getting to the point, if I'm not there already, where I don't feel the need anymore to try and fix everything so all THREE of us are happy. The wife role that had become such an important part of me feels as if it doesn't fit with him anymore--I think that's progress, don't you?

Life is going on...getting better...still somewhat disappointed it has ended up like this, but I am able to see that I will be better off in the long run without his negative, immature, selfish side dragging me down any longer.

Hope all of you have experienced positive revelations too--

Nancy

PS Just had to add this--J's girlfriend and I were just texting--weird I know. We are going to try and meet up for lunch one day next week. Now, remember she is not the specific reason we broke up. He is using her like he used me all those years to take care of him and make him feel like "the man" who can do no wrong. I am going to have to watch saying anything bad about J, however, since she said that we would never agree on him so we needed to agree to disagree--fair enough. I just hope he does not do to her what he did to me--use her up and then move on. I like how she treats my child and at least with her I know what I'm getting when it comes to the little man. With somebody new, who knows what will happen? She was telling me about how her ex-husband of 8 months is pushing her buttons. We really have a lot in common--too bad I think she is going from one mistake into an even bigger mistake that will hurt a lot more down the road. Why is life so odd?

Anonymous said...

Carol said...
Anonymous, please get yourself a good lawyer. Your non-husband sounds like a bully (a trait many of them have). You have rights.

Something does happen to their brains. I think mine is a combination of narcissism, alcoholism and a midlife crisis all wrapped into a huge mess. I don't know him anymore, he is not the person I married. (Notice how i didn't say "man", they are not men they are immature cowards). I too was married for 17 years when my nightmare began. 3 years later of trying to hold on to no avail we are mvoing forward with our separation. Although I feel better than I did last year at this time the entire process is very difficult and very draining. You need to hang on for your kids. They need you. Things will get better with time (I have to keep reminding myself that everyday). Stay on this site, vent when you need to, the group here is very comforting and give great advice and sometimes take you on interesting virtual vacations and fun parties. Stay strong. Take one day at a time.
Carol

Nancy said...

Carol, Angela, Anonymous--welcome to this site. I wish we were trained counselors who could tell you that all is happening as it should and that everything will work out for the best. Unfortunately, every single one of us on here knows only what we have been through personally and how we felt when we were subjected to the same experiences in which you find yourselves. We do truly understand how you feel and will offer you the support and occasional advice you may request--most of all, however, you have found a place where you can sit back and breathe and know that anything you say will only be met with understanding and support. Feel free to write as much and as often as you like and know that there will always be somebody here who will be reading your words and caring about you.

I am so sorry for everything that the 3 of you are experiencing. Carol, your instincts about the "friendship" were so correct but it is easy to fool ourselves into thinking that there has to be a mistake since the men we have been married to so long would NEVER ever do anything to hurt us or to jeopardize the family and relationships that everybody had worked so hard to build together. Even though it has been going on for over a year, it still is pretty new since you had to accept the fact that this may not work out the way you had thought it would. What a rude awakening that thought is--hated that and still not totally positive I have convinced myself it really happened. Hang in there and come join us on our virtual vacation--you pick the job and we'll get your nametag ready. :)

Angela, how is that little girl of yours doing? It really was big of you to tell her father about the recital and to make him welcome when he actually attended. It's bizarre how they tend to become moodier the happier we become, isn't it? I'm not sure I get it either, but you just keep doing whatever it is that brings a smile to your face as often as you can. It's such a heartbreaking experience that for you to be able to get out there with your girlfriends and find some joy in life now and then is great and a sign that you are a very strong woman who really will make it through this even when it doesn't feel that way.

Anonymous, I'm so glad you found this website. We do understand what you mean. How can they just, out of the blue, decide that the life you two worked on so hard is not what they want and then expect you to just accept it and move on like they say they have? I'm sorry that you lost your job on Friday. It just seems like once one really bad thing happens that the floodgates are opened and everything bad just comes pouring in. As for the cruelty, I agree that it is unbelieveable that this is the same man--where did the man go that you loved and knew so well? By being cruel to you, he is able to be in power--he is trying to show that he is in control and will call all the shots--and, unfortunately, that is what he is doing at the moment. The 60/40 split on child support is something that we did too--but I was the 60 and he was the 40%. That is something that you can work out with the lawyers. I hate that suggestion because it takes something that was loving and personal and turns it into a business contract--but the truth is that the lawyers may be able to help more than just trying to reason with him at this point. He is not reasonable nor acting rationally. He's trying to scare you with his threats of taking the girls and using his family money to make sure you don't get them. It would be extremely difficult for him to get child custody, so please take a deep breath, consult your attorney, and know that his threats are just that--empty threats that he is spouting off to intimidate you and make you feel less powerful so he can run over you. I don't know where your real husband went--they are out there somewhere, but we have yet to find ours either. Good luck with everything and write back here to let us know how your day is going today, ok? We care!!!

Nancy

Anonymous said...

Anonymous...welcome to the site.

Don't settle for 60/40

Where do you live? Find out your rights.

If he has been the financial provider up until you got a job, he will probably have to support you now that you are unemployed (for half the time you were married...so, you should get support for 5 years if you were married for 10). Plus, if any of those family assets are in his name, they are 50% yours. So, if there is a trust fund, family business, etc. get the legal documents and go after the money.

Don't get railroaded because you are afraid of him or because you don't have a laywer. If you can't afford a lawyer, borrow the money from a friend.

It is going to get ugly. Get ready. Be tough. Don't give in.

Good luck!

As for me, my luck hasn't really changed. My 7 year old fell and bit through his lip and knocked out his upper permanent tooth. Awful. ER, dentist, stitches, etc. Trying to call my ex. He won't take my calls. Ignores me because he is in bed with is French troll with the unibrow. I was so pissed. I made him feel like shit. We still don't have a custody agreement signed, but we are close. If we can get one signed, it will be such a big step for me. If you remember, the courts in SWE gave him full custody. Our agreement would give it back to me. I have had to file an appeal on that case. A mess.

He has yet to pay any child support. We are arguing about money...still. I told him that if he didn't pay the Department of Homeland Security would arrest him at the border if he tries to come into the country:) ok, that is not exactly true, but don't tell him.

The journey continues. It seems the drama never ends.

He left me 1 year and 3 months ago. It still feels like yesterday.

I got a new therapist. I may go on anti-depressants. I am not really depressed, but I have such a short fuse with people. I need something to keep me calm.

Hope everyone is well:)

Poppy

Anonymous said...

Carol said...
Poppy, I would suggest acupuncture before anti-depressants. It seems to be helping me a great deal.
To everyone, I came across a very interesting book that may help or at least put somethings into perspective it is call Men in Midlife Crisis by Jim Conway. You can read almost 100 pages on Googlebooks if you want to see what it is about. I ordered the book today.
I hope all are taking it one day at a time and try to be grateful for at least 1 thing today as we all inch towards our new future life.
"My past does not equal my future"
Carol

istillhavefun said...

wow. I was just directed to this site. wish I'd found it 2 yrs ago. my husband had an affair, lied for a year while i was suspicious. then, got caught 'big' and i threw him out. hope for the best, got the worst. he had cashed in our retirement w/o my knowledge. i can throw him in jail but my kids would never forgive that. so, i'm 62, starting over, in a house i cannot afford (our retirement home--haha), and a lousy economy. did the drinking and eating. now am starting to pay attention to myself again. like so many others, he pushed me to spend money at the last few months. money i wish i had now, instead of a newly decorated loft or painted walls, etc. odd that so many of them did this (the sheets).
now, although broke and frightened to pieces about foreclosure, I revel in the bed to myself, my cat with me, the thermostat where I want it, less laundry. he just married his mistress. huge social event. as far as i'm concerned she just took out my trash. her day will come. i had money when we married. so does she. uh oh... :)
'I will survive' was on my ipod w/in minutes of him getting the door slammed on his crying ass.

Nancy said...

Good morning, ladies--

I hope you are all having a good start to your week.

Poppy, I'm sorry to hear about your son's accident and rush to the ER and such. How is he feeling now? Poor little guy was scared, I'm sure. I hope he is now strutting around feeling very brave and reliving the entire incident to all of his friends. So sorry to hear also about how long this is all taking you still. For something that started about 15 months ago to still be having this emotional tug on you now has to be exhausting! Any news yet on the custody issue? Let us know where things stand now when you have a chance, ok? I've also been thinking about you and hoping you have found a job--any luck there?

Fun, welcome to the site. It is awful what your husband did to you, but you certainly seem to have a positive attitude about it all--at least as much as you can at this poing. Good for you! I know it has to be tough, so anytime you feel the need to vent please know that there are a whole lot of us who have big shoulders and open ears for you, ok? It sounds like you have been through a lot these last couple of years, You have friends here now who will walk with you through your ups and downs as much as you like. Take care of yourself.

Carol, thank you for the book recommendation. Have you read much of it yet? I'm curious how accurate it is to all of our situations. Hope you are finding some answers--feel free to share what you think. I'm sure we would all find some of it very familiar.

Take care, everybody--you are all in my thoughts!

Nancy

PS Happy Mom, if you still follow this site, please let us know how you are doing when you find time, ok? Would love to hear from you!

Anonymous said...

Hi Ladies,

Sorry I haven't written in so long. Soooo busy. As well, I have come away from thinking of the ex (a new younger lover will do that) and it feels really good to not feel so bad anymore. I don't love him but I don't hate him either. I am indifferent and no longer hope that he and his affair partner finish. It's of no importance to me. However, after all the things he did, we will never be friends.

I feel disheartened to read all the new posts and new heart aches. There seems to be no end to it. But rest assured new ladies and less new ladies, you will move on. I never thought it would be possible for me. He was the love of my life. My soul mate. Now I realize that relationship in your life, old and new, brings with it something learned. I am learning everyday about myself. Sometimes I am mad at myself and other times I am proud at how far I've come. You will see that the challenges that you face will help you grow as a person. It will become more about you and how you are evolving and less about how they are not. Ultimately, they do not matter anymore.

Peace and Strength,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Hi Everyone,

I hope you are all surviving:) I know that it is not easy.

A quick update on me...

Still not divorced. He still won't sign papers.

We are close to an agreement on child support and visitation. If we sign the agreement, he will withdraw the Hague case against me and the SWE case against me will be dropped as well. So, cross your fingers that he signs.

I have now moved into my new house with my kids. We love it. I don't have enough furniture, but we manage. I lived with my parents for almost a year.

I still don't have a job. Not even an interview. Very stressful. But, I am working on it. I have been able to spend alot of time with my kids this summer, so I try to consider the time a gift.

I have started seeing a new therapist. I think she is annoying, but I will try to work with her. I actually think that I just have a bad attitude and that she is fine.

My son (who fell and bit thru his lip and knocked his upper front tooth out) is doing much better. His lip has healed and his tooth was put back in and seems to be holding in place. There is no infection ..yet..and it seems to be re-growing, or re-attaching to the jaw bone. The whole thing is so awful. If anyone has a tooth issue...put the tooth in milk and rush to the dentist - NOT the ER.

Hang in there everyone!

Poppy

Anonymous said...

Good to know Poppy. Good luck with everything.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

Sorry to hear about your situation.As far as custody split goes, it isn't determined by him. Depending on where you live, they will look at how the two of you raised the kids in the first place. Usually, they try to keep the kids in the same living circumstance as before. So, right off the bat you should make sure they are most often with you so that the courts will keep that the same. If you lost your job, he has to give you more. If you don't have money for a lawyer and who does?, then go to a women's organization like the YWCA or head n hands and they provide legal counsel for women. Also the local community center should be helpful as well. Health clinics usually have social workers affiliated with them and they can help you navigate through unknown territory. As Carol said, he sounds like a bully.With mine the word that stuck i my head and sometimes came out of my mouth was *ssh**l*, because that is the way my husband of 16 years and the father of my children was behaving. He turned into someone I didn't know. As soon as he moved out he was nicer to me but still continued to do things that I could not believe (even up to now). It's been a year and eight months since the initial breakup. I see him most days because of the kids. He is like a shell of the man he used to be. As far as I can tell he has no regret and sees nothing that he's done wrong. Even my sister is amazed that he is still with his dread headed affair partner. I'm not. My husband died that day. This man I don't know and I don't want to know him.
So Anonymous you have to make sure he doesn't pull you down, bully you, or manipulate you into accepting what you shouldn't. You decide what is best for you and the kids and go for that. It's not up to him even if he makes it sound like it is. You are the mother, you have the power here and you will knock him off balance if you find out your rights and start applying them. Mine also stayed in the house for about 5-6 weeks but I said he could until after the kids bdays and Christmas. It took a while to get him out but he went. Like I said, he was terrible when he was here. Completely, oblivious to my pain. I had lost 15 pounds in 2 weeks. He noticed nothing and I wasn't allowed to say anything about what he had done. He only started having respect when he saw that I was serious about him having to leave. I literally dialed the number of the movers and put it in his hand. After he left he changed overnight. His power over me was gone. Now he had to deal with me when he wanted to see the kids. Whatever you do, don't leave the house. You make him leave. That is very important in court.
You will get through this and you will feel so much better down the road.
Good luck with everything,

Peace and Strength,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Hi Ladies!

I see nobody has posted in a while. I hope everyone is having a good summer. As for me, things have progressed.

As of today, I am officially divorced. I have full physcial custody of my kids. That means that I can live whereever I want with them. He is going to drop all pending cases against me. We have agreed on visitation and child support. We have signed agreements in both countries.

In theory, it is over. Or, you could say...it is just beginning.

I haven't seen a dime from him, but I am not worried about money at the moment.

Today, I can breathe for the first time in 16 months. Today, I can let go of the 10,000 extra pounds of stress I have been carrying.

He gave up. He gave in. He is so stupid. But, I hope to build a new relationship with him. I don't want him anymore, but my kids want him.

I still have alot of problems, but today, none of them seem so big. I feel in control again...at least for the moment.

How is everyone? None of this is easy. A day at a time...

Poppy

Anonymous said...

Congratulations Poppy!

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Poppy

Your news made me smile each time I think of your freedom, your strength in keeping it all together and your success... well done! May it only get better by leaps and bounds from here on out.

My situation just seems to be dragging out. The appraisal of my house came back with numbers that I know I will be able to afford to keep it which is good, as my business is on the same premises. Now that all the numbers are in, we head into mediation next month. i don't expect that anything will be solved there at all, which will just string this out further and further.

Why, when he is the one that left, would he want to drag this out, make it (in his words) as long, mean, ugly and expensive as possible? Just control, I think. He even signed me up on match (dot) com as a fat, heavy drinking woman looking for relationships with other women. And every two weeks he comes into my business and yells at me, calling me all sorts of names. It gets very tiring..

I dont want him back in my life in any form at all - but what I really do miss is a real hug - a hug from that person you are close to, a hug where you are both so comfortable, fit and at home with.

I hope all of you are doing well and enjoying being a few more steps down the road of learning to live your new lives.

Take care
Annie

Anonymous said...

Oh My Gosh! I read the original post and cried...My husband of 11yrs (partner for 17yrs) has done this. I have three children aged 16, 12, and a 2yr old (Meaghan)developmentally delayed. I put him out via OFP July 28 2011, he was physically, verbally, and emotionally abusive. I have been a stay at home mom and desperately seeking employment. All of the accounts including the home are in his name. I was served divorce papers on August 3, 2011. He has the audacity to ask for everything except the beds we sleep in and the sofa my father gave us. He even took the car and told me to walk to my toddlers therapy sessions. I don't hate him, I have been diligently practicing gratitude and compassion since December 17, 2007 when I lost our unborn son. I know there is a hidden gift yet to be revealed through this. I need to begin loving myself. I'm grateful I found this Blog. I'm grateful for everyone's gain disguised as loss. I'm grateful for the opportunity to let my voice be heard. Thank you all

Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous,
Welcome...You are right, it is a gain that starts as a feeling of loss. I can honestly say I'm happier now than I was before and more self confident. When someone does this to us then often beforehand they dragged us down with their critical ways or lack of attention. I have also learned a lot about myself and I am still learning. I would not give it back.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

I have stared at the blank screen for several days trying to find the right words to introduce myself - I'm kaz and my husband of 22 years left on 30th July with the same old clichés that I have read through all these posts that "he loves me but is not in love with me" that he has never loved me ever. We have two beautiful boys 18 & 16 of which I am so proud of how mature and supportive they have been to me - cuddling when the tears flow, talking over and over the same things. I have had all the very same feelings as most of you have described and I cannot begin to tell you how suddenly I feel empowered that it's not my fault, that I have done nothing wrong to cause this and he believes that the grass is greener and will also continue to look for something new. He says no one else is involved - how many times have I read that. I do all the ideas to keep busy but it doesn't seem to take away so of the loneliness and I cant believe how easily the tears flow for no apparent reason. I have spent 2 and a bit weeks just getting through each day, been to work, cooked and cleaned for the boys and taken our dog for walks. I am glad in a way to find this site you have all been through the same and I have taken positive thoughts from your reminders and encouragement to each other. Posting here will take the pressure off my parents and my boys of taking the brunt of my analysis of myself - my mum is a wonderful lady who has picked me up and held me the day I fell through her door on our anniversary after he didn't turn up for a meal he suggested but went drinking with his mates. He too has been on anti depressants for a year and has begun to drink heavily - of course blaming that's it me he wants to block out of being with - however he has moved out and continues to drink this week even though I am not there!!

Sorry for the long ramble and know that you will accept me into your circle as you have with so many who have joined along the way.

I have to go and get dressed for work he informed me he was collecting our dog today at 7.30 am dog over wonderful boys - hmm I wonder when he'll realise that they are their own person and are forging their own lives - will he be involved- not if he doesn't give anything to them.

sure I'll be back later.

kaz x










kaz x

colleen said...

Dearest Kaz
Welcome to our group. I've been really bad and not posted for a while as life has been hectic.
I simply had to reply to you as its the same as my situation and I know exactly how you feel ...

Firstly I am so sorry this has happened to you, you did not ask for this or deserve it, nor did your beautiful boys. This is most definitely not your fault. He is going to try and justify his every action and try and blame you - please don't believe it. He will do this because of his own insecurities. Sorry to be blunt, but the chances that there is someone else is very likely in my opinion only. It took me 6 months AFTER he had left us to discover his 2 year affair. He lied and lied over and over to myself, my boys, our counsellor, our friends, our family - you name it - everyone! And the worst part is, I believed him.

My boys were 13 and 17 at the time - they were gutted and you may read my old posts and see the long road we have walked. Today, thankfully my gorgeous boys are fine although they love their dad, there is no respect any longer. They do not spend much time with him in his home as they believe their home is here with me. We have grown even closer than ever before and I know it will be the 3 of us together forever.

I too have an amazing support structure in my friends and the most incredible mother - she carries me and puts me back together again. Your pain is enormous and the tears won't stop - I know. There is nothing you can do and slowly over time it gets a little better. Promise!!

I was officially divorced in Jan 2011. It's very hard being a single mother when you have always had a partner to help with things around the house, but somehow you get there. My ex recently confided in me that he needs to come clean with me, he admitted that he is in love with the woman he had the affair with (he told me she meant nothing and it was over) and she will be moving to my home town to be with him probably by the end of this year. I feel sick with anger - she won!!! I lost my future, my stability, my confidence but I will never let him break me.

take good care of yourself my new friend and you will never be alone on this site.

sending you love and hugs
Colleen
xxx

Anonymous said...

Colleen,

Thank you so much for the reply. Good to hear your life has been hectic in a good way I hope.

Yes I spent time reading every single post on this site from the beginning. I am glad of the good news that lots post with regard to moving on - finding the peace and light from the darkness we all feel as we begin this long painful journey.

My Mum said how glad she was that she had seen me smile today - that made me cry to think that a smile made her so glad - and know that she has been feeling as much pain as me about it all.

Today has been hard - kept blaming the watery eyes on my contact lenses at work - will have to find the strength to tell people very soon cant keep this charade up for much longer.

My brother has been in contact with my hubbie and feels that although he spent time talking to him the eyes were vacant and that he didn't appear to be listening.

I am under no illusion that I think there is someone else although he denies anything to everyone who asks. Time will tell - All around him will have less respect for lying - don't understand why he doesn't see that.

He came early for the dog before I went to work - says he took him to the beach all day although here in England it's been quite wet today!!

My youngest attends a boxing club and he did take him tonight - when he asked his Dad why he came so early he said it was so that he could see me. he also told my brother that he didn't leave before because he thought I wouldn't cope- where oh where does he get these rose coloured glasses from - He worked away from home during the week when I had a two year old and was eight months pregnant with my second - I have always worked - looked after the children/cooked and cleaned and did this for ten years before he started his own business to which is now in decline because he has no enthusiasm to chase any work. it is true he did do all the cooking but that's because he used to finish and be home by 3pm whilst I work full time.

Again thank you for the reply - was glad to vent off to someone who knows exactly how I feel -

Tomorrow I am going to be stronger - I will not let his hurtful words get to me.
My thanks and thoughts are with all who travel the same path - may we all become stronger women for it (even if it does take time)

kaz xx

colleen said...

Dear Kaz

Nice to hear there was a smile, its a start ... I know where my mom was at and still is with all that I have to deal with and I'm very glad you have a loving mother as I do. Where would we be without them?

In the beginning you do not want anyone to know as you are still in shock yourself, but please remember none of this is your doing. This is very hard because your mind is reeling - why? why? It lands up consuming you which is not healthy.

I understand that you are afraid of the future but you can see by all the postings how we have all moved on in time. The pain never goes away but does diminish. I'm still angry at what he did to us, but try and focus more on myself and my boys now.

As for me, my hectic life includes working, running and maintaining a home, being a mom and dealing with the "games" in a new relationships - not easy. One thing I have learnt is not to allow anyone to treat me with disrespect.

Your brother is quite right about the "vacant" eyes - thats what they do. Get used to the rose coloured glasses as they gonna be on for a while.

Remember that each morning you wake, you've made it through another day.

take care of yourself
love
Colleen
xxx

Anonymous said...

Well today was the icing on the cake.

Today was the day when the spineless shell of a man I was once proud to call my husband announced over the phone that there was someone else so callous couldn't even do it face to face - that he has been seeing her since May that he wanted to take it further that's why he was telling me.

I thought I couldn't be hurt any more I had begun to tell people my friends colleagues at work all who have been very supportive, however hello rock bottom again.

Again I cried with despair - with my body in pain - I cried when my wonderful children cried because they were so angry that he had lied to all who asked. They at the moment are furious with him and do not want anything to do with him.

Worst of all I was friends with this women (who is older than me) when I was a child what a kick in the teeth and to top it she is a wedding photographer - and this is the very person I asked if he was seeing - I had seen them in a car park - he too knows her from a long time ago she used to be friends with his first real girlfriend, and it just looked odd - but of course he denied all.

I cant describe how I feel - sad/broken/numb. Sleep doesn't seem to happen hence the time here is 4am and I have tossed and turned and lied here so thought I would get some of my thoughts out.

Well I suppose the only way is up now - on my own with my boys one day at a time still,

love to all

k x

Nancy said...

Awww, K-- I am SO sorry! There is not one person among us here that has not seen that clock turn to 3, then 4, and know that there is no way we will ever get any sleep before having to get out of bed, put on a fake happiness, head to work, and try to focus on anything except the mess our lives have become. It's totally impossible to even focus on anything else for more than a second or two at a time, isn't it? I will never forget that fog state I walked around in for at least the first month or so after my husband walked out. I didn't care about anything other than my child, I could care less about work, and all I could think about was WHY? What happened? Why did this happen when I had always tried to be a good person? Who was this man that I thought I knew so well? It was like he had been abducted and somebody who looked like him and sounded like him--but was NOT him--had been left in his place. To hear those words come out of their mouths is a shock. To think of the lies they have been telling is unbelieveable.

I too thought that there was nobody else involved, and even months after confronting him with some facts that had unraveled in spite of his attempts to cover them up, he continued to lie. We know exactly how you feel, Kaz--it is impossible to understand unless you have been through it, and it is the WORST club in the world to have to become a member of. You will find, though, that this little club of women will walk with you through this however much you would like. When you can't sleep, you can turn on the computer and know that there is somebody on the other side of the screen who understands what you feel and has been in those exact footsteps herself. You can vent and scream and cry...you can laugh one second at how crazy your life has become and then cry the next because it was never supposed to happen like this. No matter what you feel, I guarantee that we have been there too and we will understand and help you as much as we can.

Your husband is a coward, K. Any man who lies repeatedly after being given opportunities to come clean with the truth has such a low character that it is hard to believe he is the same person you love, isn't it? Those wonderful boys of yours will need their mother and I know that you will do whatever you need to do to ease their pain. Don't forget to take care of yourself too, though. Do what you need to do to take that care. You WILL survive this! You will one day look back and wonder how you did survive, but you WILL do exactly that. The pain is horrible--so hard to comprehend that you can feel that level of pain from the person who swore to protect and love you--but the pain will eventually ease too and those smiles that your mother loves will come more frequently.

There is no time limit, no pressure to "move on" (hate that phrase!!)--you take your time, feel what you feel, lay in bed all day if you need to...but then try to get back up on your feet the next day and begin to take back control of your life. It's a long process, but you will have that control again, I promise!

I'm sorry I haven't written before now, K--I've become a bit of a lazy writer--but I have read your words and my thoughts have been with you. Time will reveal all, I'm convinced, but boy it sure is hard to wait for it all to unfold, isn't it?

Take care--get out that Tylenol PM if you need to, but do your best to get a few hours of sleep each night until that 3 a.m. time will inevitably wake you up. At that time, write and let us know how you are doing, ok?

Nancy

colleen said...

Dear K

Well, now at least you know and can start trying to deal with your emotions. Mine kept his lies up for 6 months after he told me - that was too awful for words as I had no idea why.

I know you are feeling as though you are walking around in a fog right now, may I suggest you see your doctor for some sleeping tabs and anti-depressants if necessary - they do help.

Thinking of you
love
Colleen

Ann said...

Hi,
I couldn't believe when I found this blog how much it was like my life. Just 3 weeks ago he came home from work and gave me the speech "I love you, but not in love with you" How he was unhappy and needed space. 4 days later he moved in with a friend down the street "so he could be close enough to still help with the kids and the house" he said. I am swirling with all types of emotions. I have a 3 yr old and a 1 yr old. I could tell they have been affected by this. I am trying to keep the peace for now, as he says he's still going to the therapy app. I set up but he's not sure he sees "the light at the end of the tunnel" like I hope. For all those who had to go through this, how many found out it was becuase of someone else? I am wanting to believe him but I can't help to think that something really big must have happened for him to walk away from his adoring boys and loving wife. Thanks for creating this blog, please add any other encouragement.

Anonymous said...

Welcome Ann and sorry that you have found the need to find this site but it is a good site with so much support from people who know exactly how you feel.

I don't know if you have read the blogs but most start with the same speech "love you - not IN love - need space" but weeks months down the line most find out there is nearly always someone else involved.

I'm sorry to be a bit blunt but trust your instincts we are normally right and my husband denied all even when I said ok you're gone it's finished now tell me he still swore there was no one else.

As people told me as they are correct men do not just normally leave the security of a home and family if they have nothing else secured or someone else to go to.

I hope that you are keeping yourself strong - I know you are probably not eating or sleeping but you must stay strong for your beautiful children they need you to be there - so please look after yourself. If you have friends and family - ask for help - please take any that's offered - my mum still rings me umpteen times a day just to check.

At least he is going to seek some help most don't.

Keep posting on here - even it's just to rant and get rid of those feelings - we are the stronger sex and sometimes even though I still don't feel it things will get easier.

take care be thinking of you.

Karen

Ann said...

Thanks Karen for your heartfelt advice. I'm sorry that this happened to you. I am trying to sleep and eat things out of the fridge in bites. I find myself getting rather full after 3 bite meals. He told me the other day that he doesn't want to give me "false hope" and that he is leaning towards divorce. He wants to go to counseling to help the kids get through this. Then he proceeded to explain that we don't need lawyers and we can get the divorce settled ourselves. That made me angry. It sounds like after all this he is still trying to get his way. I don't want to get screwed over anymore. I can't even still believe this is all happening. Everyone around us is in shock. We were looked at as that couple that was so happy and would be together forever. Me too. I never ever thought he would throw me out like a dog. At night my 3 yr old cries because he knows his father left to go to his "new place" to sleep. I'm so sick of crying and feeling this pain. Every morning I wake up and have to reprocess all that is going on. Every day he says "How was you day today" and I answer "Terrible, I have to re-think my whole life now, remember?"
Tonight is the counseling appointment. I can't wait to hear what the therpist thinks of my husband making such a final decision without seeking help or willing to try.

colleen said...

Dear Ann
Welcome and a big hug. Sorry you are going through such a hard time. I find it sad that he has already made up his mind regarding divorce - firstly you never saw this coming and secondly - where is your say in this? On top of your own shock, you have two little ones to take care of.

I hope the session with the therapist went well - you need someone to talk to and I trust you will continue the sessions even if you do them on your own. You are going to need help to get through this.

Do not let him bully you into a d.i.y. divorce - stand your ground and be firm with him. Do not - I repeat - do not let him screw you!!!

I also had the "how was your day" - for pete's sake - how the hell do you think my day and life is!!!! They are insensitive to our emotional state as this is all about them.

take care
Colleen

Carol said...

I haven't wriiten in awhile but I have been keeping up with the posts both the oldtimers and the newbies. Someone said it right this is one club no one wants to belong to but we are all glad it is here.
For those who are new to this here are some things you will most likely be facing and for those who have gone before me i am sure you can relate.
This process will hands down be the most difficult thing that you will ever endure but you have to know that you will survive. It is a process that takes one step forward and 2 steps back and this is where I find myself today.
Just a quick summary of my situation: Like many others here I had what I thought was a great marriage, the kind that everyone else admired (scary how that is a recurring theme here). July of this year was our 20th anniversary (since we are not divorced yet). we have 4 great kids who are reeling from this awful situation but hanging on in spite of it. My situation started in 2007 with the "we are just friends" line. However I never met this "friend". From there it lead into suspicions, accusations (from me) and then the incredible lies (from him).
I tried to reconcile the marriage and thought we were making progress until he need "closure". which translated to me as "let me see if she will take me back"

Ann said...

Thanks Collen for your encouragement. I try to read older comments to get everyone's story and they all seem to happen along the same lines. I wish I was in your place now. It sounds like you went through hell yourself. What is your life like now?
Like everyone is saying, it's sad we had to have this site but I am so thankful to be able to discuss this with all of you and know you all know what I'm feeling.
The therapist was great and explained to my husband how common our problems were (loss of love, distance, etc..) and it can be repaired. But my husband was NOT interested in trying for couples therapy. The next day I asked him to give me at least 12 sessions to try for the family. That maybe just maybe we could turn this around. He said no. So my next step was that I told him he was not entitled to any holidays this year until things get settled in court. I also told him he could visit on Tues/Thurs and weekends and this was non-negtionable. He didn't like this at all. Since then he's been asking me to talk this over and I said no.
He deserted us. I don't care what he wants anymore. I'm done comprising. My kids need to get used to the idea that daddy isn't coming around as often instead of his idea of this "fake family" thing every day.
Carol, I am so sorry for everything that you are going through. I can't believe he's fading out of the kids lives. I was trying to read what exactly happened to you but it's hard following the trail sometimes. Just wondering how long was it when you found out it was an affair? Also, was he sorry that he hurt you or defensive?
You are right, this is the hardest thing I've ever had to endure.

Ann said...

I need to vent right now.. My hands are shaking..It is labor day and I agreed to let him take our 3 yr old to the beach today. As he came over and got my son ready my emotions and anger were high. I grew up in CT and we live in MA (where he grew and his family lives down the street). I couldn't help to be so upset that he was going to the beach without ME! It's MY beach. Where I grew up. I took him to that beach years ago and now he is taking my son on his own. He seemed all chipper and excited to be going. Sure his life is in order now, right??? He lives with a friend and doesn't have any responsiblities of the house or the kids like I do. All he has to do is show up and take them to fun places. He could tell that I was angry and gave me this speech "Look, this is happening. It's not healthy that you act like this in front of the kids. Somehow we are going to have to work this out on how to be civil"
I wanted to smash his face as he was saying all this. Now I'm the one that's acting erractic???? Because I sat there on the couch and glared at him and told him he better keep an eye on our son and not text all day on his phone like a teenager??? Oh did I mention that is all he does now???? Text on his phone. I keep wondering if there is someone else. My suspiciion is there especially when I caught him texting on the side of the house a few times in the past like he was hiding something. I've asked him several times and he denies anything like that is going on. But nothing what he did makes any sense.. Coming home from work one day saying he was unahappy and didn't know if he loved me anymore. Stating he needed space to think and then moved out to his friends house 4 days later.. I feel he had this all planned out but for who or what???
I hate that this is happening to me and my kids. I hate that I have to be the one is so much pain. After everything I ever did for him. It's not fair. I look around and all I see is familiies and I think "why did it work out for all of them and not me?"
Now I've been a stay at home mother for the passed 3 years and I have the weight of the whole world on my shoulders. I have to think of a career to support my kids, I have to think when and how I will move back to CT to be closer to my family and friends, I have to keep positive for my kids, while dealing with the fact that I am alone and have been abandoned by my best friend and life companion.
I know someday I will be okay I just wish I could jump to that moment now.

colleen said...

Ok Ann

Deep breath! You are allowed to have the reactions and emotions you are - they are normal! Just because he is an ignoramus of biblical proportions gives him no right to treat you this way. He made the decision to abandon you and won't allow you to have a say??? Agreed, not in front of the kids, but at some stage he owes you honesty.

Smash his face - O Lord - rather cut him up into tiny lil pieces instead and feed him to the rats. If I could only tell you the things I've dreamt of doing to my ex.

Here's the thing - try and "borrow" his cell - I stole mine's and got all the evidence I needed.

I hate too that this is happening to all of us - it never ends, but we do have to believe somewhere that this has happened for a reason - whatever that may be ...

I too envy families, but the cynic in me now says its just a matter of time for them too ...

Yes, you have to stay strong for your kids - no question about that and you can and will do this!

The fact that he has said no to counselling tells me there is someone else - so start preparing yourself.

My life now has hit another wobble which I am trying to work through. My ex had the love of his life here in my home town again this weekend and many people have reported back to me - they can't believe how ugly she is and that it can never last - I don't care if it lasts or not - it hurts like hell to have my replacement rubbed in my face.

He has tried to talk my sons into meeting her - they refuse and good on them!!!

To answer your question - he gave me the "I love you, but not in love with you speech" and of course there was no-one else - he stayed here for 2 months sleeping in MY bed while looking for somewhere to go - again at his convenience (of course no sex), I couldn't take it anymore and told him to get out - he goes off to live elsewhere, still maintaining his innocence. He even went through the facade of counselling - what a joke that was! Deny deny deny!!

After 5 months of him living on his own and being "so sad and lonely" in his words - meanwhile abusing me and my sons emotionally - he would not give my gate remotes back, left me with no money and stopped my credit card and just arrived when he felt like it. I even did his laundry - why did I do this? Because I knew there was more to his story and I wanted to lull him into a false sense of security - which I did.

My chance came through patience after 7 months - I stole his secret cell phone which my son told me he had - everything I needed to know was on there. He had been having an affair for 2 years while we were married! To think that he did this to me is beyond my comprehension, we had it all - the golden family.

I served him divorce papers 2 days after stealing his phone while he was on the golf course with his mates. I also named her in my papers as the adultress. He had no idea I knew .... that was sweet revenge!

Then building a new relationship is another matter entirely - I've just ended mine as I did not like the way he started treating me - I will not ever allow another man to put me down. So you see, its a long long road to recovery, but we as women, will cry ourselves to sleep and pick ourselves up again for our kids - always!!!

take care and stay true to yourself
Colleen

colleen said...

Just need to add one more thing - my pain has been going on since June 2009. My divorce only came through Jan 2011 and I am still waiting for my settlement.

There are good times and bad times but we all need to remember that God will never give us more than he knows we can bear.

Nancy said...

Dear Ann,

I, too, sympathize with your situation and can honestly say that I understand exactly how you feel. Of course you were hurt and angry when he went to the beach that had always been yours with your child and you were not invited. Mine did the same thing except when he went places with our son, he decided to have his mistress step in and take over my role in the "family." She sat in my seat in the car, she held my husband's wallet in her purse when they went out, she kept track of all activities on her calendar that involved my child, she even began to wear the shirts that I had bought for my husband. I dropped off my son one day and as I was driving away, I saw the three of them walking into a store that we always used to go to--same little family but with a new actress in my role. They went and played miniature golf, went to eat at "our" place, etc. I fumed for weeks--but I was more hurt than anything.

Like yours and almost all of ours, my husband denied there was anybody else. I caught him dozens of times on that stupid cell phone--out in the garage, sitting in the recliner in our own bedroom late at night, even woke up one morning and that phone was in the bed with us. Of course, he had an excuse for all of it--he was checking the weather forecast, he was checking on the Cardinal's baseball score, etc. I actually believed him because he was just not the type to cheat--I NEVER would have suspected him until he wasn't hiding it as well anymore. I ended up checking the phone bill online--you can see times, dates, phone numbers for both calls in/out and texts. When the same phone number showed up dozens of times in one month's billing, I knew for a fact he was cheating on me. I even called the number and a woman answered then hung up when I said who I was. When I called back, there was a message that the phone number was no longer in service. Of course, he had a reason for that too--namely that I was crazy and didn't trust him--it was MY fault.

We all got the not in love with you speech along with the we're more like roommates, you've been unhappy for years like I have, we need to save our friendship by separating...whatever! It's like they all read the same script. How he could stand there and lie to my face still amazes me. To this day, he will deny ever having an affair--and I know for a fact he is lying, he knows I realize it, and he still will not just come clean. The difference now is that I just don't care anymore. He's not the man I married and I lost so much respect for him throughout this whole divorce process that any trust or love I had for this man I used to know is long gone. Today, he is living with the mistress and they still seem to be sneaking around--never come to my son's activities and associate with the people we used to talk with. The two of them stay in the back of the room and talk only to themselves--almost like they can't face the people who know what they did. That's pretty accurate, but I suppose at least they have each other--talk about hanging out with the wrong crowd, huh?

Hang in there, Ann. Nothing is for sure right now other than you need to take care of yourself and your children. You CAN do all of this and you will be stronger for it, I guarantee it. It will not be fun nor easy, but you will find the real you in the process and you will grow to like the person you are going to become...the person that is inside waiting to come out. I have survived, Colleen, Cathy, Happy Mom, Poppy--all of us have survived and come out in a much better place than we were when we were at your stage. You will survive also!

My thoughts will be with you!

Nancy

Misty said...

Hello ladies. I'm not sure how many of you still come on here, and I know it's been a long time since I have, though I wanted to say hello. this site helped me through the most tough time of my life. I thought I would see how you all are and give a little update of my own.

My life has changed in so many ways I can't even explain them all. Mainly I want to say that I am happy again for the most part. I have a wonderful job, wonderful friends, an amazing family, and I am going back to school to finish my degree :) I am still living at home but I'm doing better than ever. I've lost 83 pounds now and feel amazing. I took a trip to chicago with my best friend a few weeks ago and am taking another trip soon. Lastly, I have someone in my life whom I really care for. We're not a 'couple' yet, but he does mean a lot to me, and he makes me smile. I feel I can finally love again..so we'll see what happens.

I hope all of you amazing women on here are doing great. I miss you all! Thank you for being such an important part of my life. <3

Misty

Ann said...

Colleen and Nancy,
Thanks so much for sharing with me so much of your life. The fact that all of this is happening exactly the way you describe it is unbelieveable. Right down to the very words that come out of my husband's mouth. I want you to know how much I appreciate you telling me to be strong and I will get through this. Because though people in my life say that, it means more when you both are saying it. I guess I believe you more because you both had to go through this and much more. Really, I can't say enough how it helped me to read your posts and to know that you care that much.

I wish I had the chance to take his cell phone. I thought about it when he was living here. His phone is through work so there is no bill or no way I can look at records. I'm glad you were able to find out. But I hate that you were cheated on like that. That just must have been so awful!!!

He told me tonight he filed for divorce and that I will be getting the papers soon. It has been only 4weeks since he moved out. I accused him again of cheating several times in this coversation and he denied it. Not defending himself really just saying "okay, whatever..." and continuing with was he was saying. Not that it matters at this point, it's just because I feel so disrespected and I would like to throw it in his face while I have the chance. If he's cheating I want everyone to know the true scumbag that he is.

I know I need to focus on myself and my kids. I'm trying really. It's hard that they are so young. I don't live near family or have any friends around here. I only have his parents to rely on and that doesn't say much. I'm in the process of hiring a babysitter so I can go do what I need to do in terms of lawyers.

It's amazing how cold hearted they become. I can't believe this is the person that I married. Just a year and half ago we were going to the hospital to deliver my son and now he's serving me divorce papers. Something doesn't make sense here.
I believe you when you say I will be in a much better place in the end. I wish I could fast forward a bit. At least through the holidays.

Thanks Misty for coming on and saying how well your doing. I'm glad your so happy and gives me hope to my future.

Ann said...

I have a question about child custody --I've been doing research on line and trying to learn what all the legal terms are for child custody. Everying I'm reading says that "sole custody" is looked down upon these days. However, when this is over I plan to move to CT, (we live in MA now) and joint custody would be impossible especially when the kids are in school. My husband knows that I plan on moving back to CT to be closer to my family. I don't think he would stop me from doing this. So I feel like sole physical custody is the only way to go. I still would share other resposibiliteis with him in terms of the kids. I don't know.. all this is so confusing. Also, do you get less for child support if it is shared custody??

Nancy said...

Dear Ann,

I had a long response typed out to you, but when I hit send, I lost it all. Figures. So, let me keep this short and we'll see if it goes through this time.

The child custody issue differs from state to state, I think. We live in KY and in our situation, we have joint custody with me having primary physical custody of our 10 year old son. The child support amount was based on our income. I made 60% of the total family income and my husband made 40%; therefore, I was responsible for 60% of the expenses and he had to contribute 40% of the amount determined by the court that was necessary to raise our child each month. We had to turn in a variety of expenses--after school care, insurance, medical/dental expenses, you name it. They then put that into some formula and it listed an amount that my husband was supposed to contribute for child support. This amount was about $40 higher per week than what he had offered to pay earlier, and while I should have gone with the court, I agreed to accept what he had previously offered. He said he didn't have very much to live on now that he had to get his own house and such (yeah, I know--but I felt bad for him at the time for some bizarre reason). My lawyer advised me to not give on the amount--said he didn't care if he could afford it or not--that he could go get a second job if he needed to--it wasn't about him, but about our son. He was logically right, but at the time I knew I could support the two of us and still had the "wife" role in my mind--the one that always tried to ease hurt feelings or take care of somebody in "pain." Anyway, I had to sign a paper that said I knew what our child was entitled to but that I agreed to accept a lesser amount.

It's very interesting that within a month of the final divorce papers that my husband had a new house that he shares with his mistress...oh, excuse me, I mean his girlfriend and love of his life...and he was able to install a pool in their backyard. So much for not having much money after child support, huh? Needless to say, I no longer feel sorry for him other than I know that his relationship with the "other woman" is based on lies and deceit and dishonesty, so really what good is it in the long run? Actually, that doesn't make me feel sorry for him at all--it sort of satisfies me in some little way. I know the two of them can never fully have the relationship everybody deserves because theirs is based on lies and the hurt of people who loved them. Any relationship I may have in the future, however, can be open and honest and based on joy and love. Which relationship would you rather experience?

I'm sure your lawyer will give you information about the child support issue, but my advice to you is to not agree to a lesser amount if he asks you to do it. That money is for the children and they deserve financial support from their father since they obviously are not going to get the emotional attention they need from him anytime soon.

Good luck with it all, Ann. Let us know how we can help. We are here if you want to vent, laugh, curse, cry...you name it. You won't do anything or say anything that will shock us or will be something we haven't done ourselves. Take care of yourself and let us know how you are, ok?

Nancy

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for this. I arrived home last night after work to find my husband had taken everything that was his, and a note saying, "fed the dog, read your email. He sent me an email stating his need to sort things out on a road trip. No one takes every single item they own on a road trip. I know nothing about this man, that is the scary part. Thanks for the comfort from your blog entry. Don't know how to explain to everyone else what has happened.

Ann said...

Dear Nancy,
Thanks for explaining what happened with your child support issues. You're right, a few lawyers explained the rules to me and said exactly what you said. It's about the kids, he can get a second job if he has to.
I can't believe right after the divorce he was living in a house with his mistress. How is it that men can just move on with someone else like that??? They are sooo different than women. And what kind of woman is okay with breaking up a family??? I can't make sense of this. If I met a married man with children and he was hitting on me I would right away think he was a piece of crap. I keep wondering if that is going to happen to me. After this is over, is that when I'm going to hear of another woman that he's been with. He's been "fixing" things around the house lately and painting the outside trim. I'm wondering why he is trying to make the house look good all the sudden. He also asked me "How long do you plan on living here?" Meaning he knows I want to go back to CT. If he's with someone else, I wonder if he's acting like he wants to keep the house but really just trying to take it over so he can sell it and have a nice little nest egg for him and his new person. Just that thought alone, makes me want to keep the house so that I can sell it and keep the money. It'll be hard to stay in MA by myself, but it will be worth it if that's the case. That's partly why I have to find out what is the truth is behind all this insane behavior. Believe me when I tell you, I'm on it.

Thanks for being here to listen. These nights are crazy. I hate night time. I laid it into him again last night about his lack of effort to repair the marriage. He says nothing like usual. Just hangs his head and listens. Again I mentioned someone else, again he just shakes his head.
Nancy,
when your husband first did this to you. Did he act like he was depressed because he was hurting everyone in the family? And you wanted to beat him because you were thinking "you're depressed! I'm crying my eyes out every night and now I have to think about YOUR feelings?" That's what my husband did yesterday. Complained how sad he was.
Anonymous,
Are you new? sorry, I am new and still getting to know everyone. Wondering if this is the first time you're posting. If so, I am so sorry for what is happening to you. What has happened so far? Have you heard from him?

Ann said...

Hello,
It is late at night and I just wanted to say that I signed the divorce papers today. Now my husband will be getting a counter complaint from me in the mail. He still doesn't know I hired a lawyer. Still thinks we are doing a DIY divorce. I don't get it when he calls after work and says "Do you need anything?" I mean I don't want him to be mean to me but when he asks if I need things it makes me think "does he care now"? I can't make sense of this. I had a really bad night the other day. Just cried for hours, slept, woke up crying again. I thought I was not going to pull myself out of it. My husband came by in the morning to be with the kids. Asked if I had a stuffy nose and I told him "no, I had a bad night". He asked "what happened?". I began to cry again and said "I don't want to talk about it with you" and then walked outside. He came out moments later and asked again what made my night bad. I told him all of what is going on. He said he has bad moments too. Somehow I find that hard to believe considering the night before he had to leave the kids at 3pm to go to a friends Barbecue. Tonight, I am in a different state of mind. Kind of feeling guilty like "what did I do?" "should I call him and ask him that and then tell him I will change?" I'm feel as though I'm thinking of everything to change the situation and nothing seems to stop him in his tracks. My only other naggging feeling is "Is there someone else?" Is it that young chic I suspected a year ago when I had my newborn son? Did she rip my family apart? I want to know so badly even though it will hurt me more if it is true. Okay I have to stop writing now. It's getting to be too much.
Sorry to sound so down - I will be okay,
Ann

Nancy said...

Dear Ann,

Do not apologize for feeling down. You have every right to feel down. Your world, as you knew it, was totally blown apart and you really have no idea what happened at this point. It seems odd that your husband would even question why you're upset--as if he couldn't understand how terrible this is for you? I have to tell you that I sort of got the same response. It was almost like I was making too big of a deal out of it all--it was only a divorce afterall, not like somebody died or anything was the mindset of my husband. I could never wrap my mind around why he wasn't more upset and how this could possibly be so easy for him.

At first, he did seem depressed. He lost weight and seemed sad all the time (this was while he was still living at home after I found out about the internet affair and told him I didn't want him talking to her anymore). I thought he was depressed that he had let me down, but it hit me not even all that long ago that his depression and weight loss was over the fact that he stopped talking to this woman he was falling in love with--he honored his promise not to talk with her anymore, but I can see now that he was suffering from loss of contact with her and it had nothing to do with me at all. That really irritates me still to this day now that I've figured that out.

I'm really sorry about signing the divorce papers. There is nothing more hurtful than having a marriage that you loved be reduced to words on paper--the emotion, the love, the human touch is totally taken out and replaced with legal jargon that makes everything sound like a business deal. I think that period of time for me was the hardest--the paperwork and dealing with the lawyer. I loved my marriage--he didn't after 12 years--and he made the decision to end it in spite of what I wanted. That's not fair but it's what happened.

I'm glad you got your own lawyer. Mine suggested sharing a lawyer to save on money and I told him that it wasn't that I didn't trust him not to take advantage of me, but that I needed to know there was somebody who was thinking only of what was best for me--not for both of us--but who was looking out for my best interests only. He wasn't happy about it, but the one thing I have never been is a fool. If you can do it with one lawyer, then great--but if there are any concerns at all, you need your own person, in my opinion.

I'm also sorry about the hard nights. 3:30 was my time. Every night for the first 6 months after he walked out, I woke up at 3:30 and seldom went back to sleep. It took a Tylenol PM to get me to sleep by midnight, then I was up at 3:30. Everything is more emotional when you are working on little sleep. It's bad enough on a full night's sleep--but when you're mentally and physically exhausted, it is so hard!

I do think that time will tell what is really happening. There may or may not be another woman, but the truth will come out. It hurts one way or another, but it's better to know the truth, I think. At least then you can stop torturing yourself with questions that never get a logical answer. He is in a very selfish mode, Ann. It's all about him. You just keep on dealing with it as it comes. There will be good days and bad days and eventually the good will outnumber the bad, I promise. Just keep your head up as much as you can and know that you are not alone! You can do this, Ann! You'll make it through and you'll sleep through the night again and you'll even smile more than you cry and find that it is not on your mind 24 hours a day. That is what is waiting for you eventually--just keep putting one foot at a time forward and you'll slowly get there.

No apologies, Ann--write when you feel like you can't stand it anymore. We all understand and it does help!

Thinking of you,
Nancy

Ann said...

Dear Nancy,
Thanks for writing to me. I usually cry when I'm reading your post. Not because you are making me sad, it's becuase how much you know what I'm thinking or going through and what is to come in the future. I'm really trusting you that someday I will cry less. I looked back at your posts and saw when you were writing about your husband moping around the house and depressed. Sounds just like my husband. I told him last night that I hired a lawyer. He got very angry and a fight escalated to the driveway. I said what you said about having someone look out for my best interests and the kids. Not his.
Today, I got a phone call from someone connected to his job. They informed me that they witnessed my husband and the tramp in question flirting with each other and always together. This person even said that 2 years ago at the company Christmas party they walked in together and left together. I was sitting on the couch that night 7 months pregnant. It all makes sense now. I still haven't confronted my husband with this information. I called my lawyer and asked if there is a way I can sue her. He said he'd rather me not get mixed up in something that may hurt me. But I really want to get her back somehow. I really have to call her out on this. I know that she lives with her parents. She is only 27. I was thinking of calling her parents and letting them know that thier daughter is having an affair with my husband and we have 2 children. I can't believe that he was flirting at work while I was pregnant. Now I wonder when the affair really started. I have a feeling no matter how much information I have, he will still deny it.
I want time to go by like you said. I just hate that this is all I think about now. And now finding out that it is true what I was feeling about him and this coworker, makes me sick.
Thanks for the encouragement. I read it over and over when I feel like I'm sinking into the floor. It helps, so thank you very much.

colleen said...

Dear Ann
Sorry I've not been on for a while - have been dealing with a few issues.

I'm sad that you're having to go through all this. He probably got angry because he knows a lawyer will look after your best interests and good for you! He deserves everything coming to him.

I'm sorry you've had this new information. I sued my ex's girlfriend, in fact the first they knew that I was aware was in my divorce papers to him where she was named as the 2nd defendant. I hung on till the bitter end till I was forced to drop it due to financial costs of the lawsuit, but I did benefit an extra year's payment from my ex. He was so desperate to protect her. I'm not sorry I did it as it showed them both I will not take this lying down.

I know exactly how you feel about phoning her parents - I wanted to do the same, but didn't - I phoned her instead and she wasn't sorry in the slightest!

One thing I did not do in my divorce papers which I am sorry for now, was place a claim on all future earnings, bonus, you name it - get whatever you can and never ever feel badly about doing so.

And lastly in reply to an earlier posting of yours, my ex also acted so sad and depressed - shame - poor me!!! then would ask how I was doing??? What an idiot!

take care of yourself
Colleen

Ann said...

Dear Colleen,
Sorry you have been dealing with some issues. Hope they are not too bad. I asked my lawyer if there was something legally I could do if I could get evidence of an affair. He said the courts over here don't care about infidelity. He said if I wanted to hire a PI for my own peace of mind then it's up to me. Still thinking of it just so I could definitely know the truth and then throw it in his face. I wish I could have done what you did. She must have been so scared! Are they still together?? If not, when did they break up?

I confronted him tonight with my information. He was soooo ice cold the way he was looking at me and talking to me. So defensive and saying "I'm not going over this again. You accuse me every time I come over. What do you want me to say?? I was overly flirty???" And I said "Why were you displaying such inappropriate behavior while I was at home pregnant and taking care of our son!" Immediately he shut me off. Saying this is the last time he was answering any questions about our past. So cold, so callous. He makes me feel like I don't have a right to question him. Like our whole marriage was worthless and now it's over.
The way he is acting makes me think he is definitely protecting someone. If it was not true at all then why wouldn't he go into why he wouldn't be with this person???
What he doesn't know is that I informed my in-laws already. I told them when this is all over if they see him bringing around a woman named Jill, then they know she is the one that broke up our family. I'm trying to make sure I call her out as much as I can. What is my husband's plan?? That he's going to act like she is someone new that he's dating so everyone likes her? Well, they are not an easy family to deal with, let alone with someone who is a homewrecker.
I get so disgusted with the way he is being. He's so angry with me, like I'm the one that walked out on him! I know that I don't love the person he is acting like anymore. I just wish I could forget about the person I married. That is the struggle in my mind. How could he turn on me soo bad?? I only hope that it doesn't last with this person.

colleen said...

Dear Ann
His guard is up now, so he is going to be cold towards you - remember he is going to justify his own behaviour in his sick mind and act holier than thou. He is going to make you feel that this is all your fault - DON'T let that happen!

When I stole his phone, there was a photo of her in a uniform with a name badge on - stupid cow - I simply enlarged it and got her name and researched her. Simple! I told his family, friends and everyone that he had lied to them all for 6 months. He continued lying for the next 18 months saying she meant nothing.

Yes, they are still together and she and her kids will be moving from where she lives in another province into a house 2kms from me on the 1st December. Myself and both my sons are devastated that our noses are now being rubbed in this relationship. We have been taken back emotionally to 2009.

He has still not transferred the house into my name, nor the settlement I was supposed to get and now has stopped paying for a number of things, he even refuses to move his crap out of my house as he says he has nowhere to store it - you see how they change? How they still bully and try to control us. And these are the men who said they would always care for us?

He is trying to pressure my sons into meeting her and her kids as they are here this weekend again staying in his flat. The boys want nothing to do with her and it has got so bad that they will not go to his flat now as her presence is there and her kids will be sleeping in my sons beds. How low can you go??

I have started counselling again as I had a breakdown and realized I need help in order to help my sons. I'm also back on my meds which has helped enormously. My psychologist is furious at what he is doing to us and says this goes against every rule in the book. He says my ex is so selfish and controlling that he will never see what he is doing as wrong. I don't know who this person that I was with for 23 years is - but I do know one thing - I will not let him break me!
take care of yourself!
Colleen

colleen said...

One more thing Ann - your lawyer is right - courts do not care about infidelity in a relationship any longer. You can name her in your papers as the 2nd defendant and the cause of your marriage breakdown.

Be very careful not to put anything up on facebook, etc. which can be used against you.

Ann said...

Dear Colleen,
I can't believe she is moving sooo close! What is the reason? How does she feel comfortable doing that??? I hate that my husband lives downt the street with a friend. I never know what he's doing or even if he is sleeping there. Every car that drives by my house I'm thinking "is that HER car?" Even though I don't know for sure if he is having an affair, I think I'm trying to convince myself that it's true so that I can get used to the idea when this is over.
I can understand how the boys don't want anything to do with her. The therapist told us that my husband is able to get away with a lot right now being that our kids are so young. That if they were older he would be dealing with thier rejection of him.
I hope my husband will continue to pay for the bills like he is supposed to. I thought about that in the future what if he gets sick of it and stops paying?? Especially the way he is treating me. You're right about feeling bullied. I feel like he is still trying to control everything even though I know he is shaking in his boots about all the paperwork my lawyer requested of him.
I'm glad you are back in counseling. I was reading your old posts and you sound like such a strong person. I have a feeling you will bounce back from this fall too. It seemed you were able to help a lot of these women on this site and I know you won't let yourself down ever.
Thanks for caring so much, Colleen. I wish you and the kids the best through these rough days.

Ann said...

Hi,
I'd like to add something tonight. It is Sat, 9pm. These weekend nights are the hardest. They are just so lonely. When you are lonely there is nothing to break up the week. I am alone M-F , Sat, Sun...there is noone here for me at night. It's like I try to get through one week at a time but it never ends. This is a horrible nightmare that I can't wake up from. I am scared that my kids are so young that I won't be able to take care of them fiancially. I'm scared that the other mom's at preschool won't want to talk to me because now I'm a single mother. I want to call him and beg him not to do this.

Nancy said...

Ann,

I was reading your earlier post when this newest one came through. The weekend nights really are the hardest--actually just about any nights are hard---especially when it is just you to care for those babies. You are "on call" 24 hours a day and there is nobody to tag when you are so tired, both physically and mentally, and just feel the weight of the load you are carrying by yourself. I felt the same way, but my child was 9 at the time and that both helped and made it harder at the same time.

I'm not sure about your entire situation but if you have some friends, even casual friends, this is the time to call on them for help. Don't worry that you are burdening them with your feelings or requests to help. I'm guessing there have already been offers from some people to let them know how they can help--take them up on it now and then. It's not a burden to them--it's a gift to them, allowing them to do something they feel good about, and at the same time helping you not feel so alone in all of this every minute of the day.

I agree with Colleen on everything she said. She has had a rough road and still is one of the strongest women I've ever met. Colleen, you are a wonderful friend and your words and support helped me through many a lonely and uncertain night as I was going through my own situation. Ann, you miss the stability of the marriage, the familiarity of it. I know it's the unknown that is scary. I used to wish that I could do one of two things: either rewind time so I could stop what was happening before my husband felt the need to walk out; or speed up time a year so I could see what life would be like and reassure myself that I would make it through and come out the other side okay. Unfortunately, neither of those were possibilities. I had to endure those long, sleepless nights and just go through one day at a time, and it was hard but I learned a lot about myself and the people around me.

As I look at the clock right now, I see that it is just about time for my son's dad to call him to say good night. I wonder how he will feel if our child tells him that right this minute, he and a gentleman I have been seeing for several months are sitting together playing video games--just like he used to do with our son. My child is not crying, not lonesome for his dad--he's in there laughing and having a great time. My former husband needs to know that life did not stop for us either when he walked out. He is there with his mistress, although I can't really call her that anymore, I suppose, and they act like an old, married couple now. I guess they are happy, but I don't really know and don't really care anymore. It is very hard when there is somebody else involved, and it is totally understandable how crazy that makes you feel sometimes not knowing. Thinking that he could be lying to you, all the while he is insisting he is not, only to find later on little bits of the puzzle that prove he lied to your face makes you feel so disrespected. It's hard to know what to hope for, isn't it?

Keep writing, Ann, and know that your words are not just written and forgotten. We are with you when you write and I hope you can feel the support and caring we have for you and your babies. Colleen, my dear friend, I'm so sorry that you feel you have gone backwards a little. This will be just a temporary feeling and before you know it, you will be back to feeling a little more in control of your life. Hang in there and keep doing the things that are good for you.

Thinking of you both tonight.

Nancy

Ann said...

Nancy,
Tonight was a rough one when I wrote that post. Tomorrow, I decided I am going to visit my mother and stay over night. I will also visit with my friend while I'm there. (My family and friends live an hour and a half away)

Thank you , thank you, thank you for coming on an writing to me. I really needed this.
I feel now I can lay down and sleep a bit.
Goodnight

colleen said...

Dear Ann
Thank you for your kinds words - we all have an inner strength, although at times we feel as though we are floundering - we pull through for our children - just as you are doing.

Yes, we are all afraid of the future financially. He earns 10x what I earn, yet everything is 50/50 - not fair! That is why you need your lawyer to be hard - very hard - on all future earnings as well. Even insist on a life policy which he pays for with you as beneficiary.

No, the other moms will not turn their backs on you, women are very supportive and will help you. I begged him not to do this for the boys sake, but it was like talking to a brick wall, you will not be able to change his mind.

And yes, weekends are the pits, we are busy Mon-Fri, but the weekends are the hardest. Fortunately my 15yr was at home yesterday, so we spent the entire day eating sweets and popcorn and watching movies. Definitely not good for the waistline but good for the soul. It makes a difference having someone at home with me, although in your case its not the same. I understand when the little ones are put to bed - then the thoughts take over. It's awful I know.

Nancy is quite right - allow friends into your life - you need them. I'm very pleased to see you have decided to visit your mom, even the drive there will clear your mind.

To answer your question, she got a job transfer and is moving here to be with him. Every single time I have been out and about since Friday I have been looking over my shoulder dreading to bump into the happy family. I drive a 4x4 and would love to drive into his car and smash it to smithereens - just for fun.

And to my wonderful friends, Cathy, Nancy and now Ann, whose words I take great comfort from - thank you for picking me up and carrying me when I need it.

Ann, we are always here for you, you are not alone.

Big hugs
Colleen xxx

Anonymous said...

After reading what you have all been through, and knowing you are all surviving, it gives me hope. My husband left last week. We have been married for 6 years, 3 kids. When he left I thought he just needed some space to get some rest. He works 60+ hrs a week and goes to school on the weekend. Then he tells me he doesn't know what he wants, but he doesn't see much hope for us. The part that I'm not handling well is not knowing if he's ever coming back. I wish he would just get it over with if he is going to stomp on my heart and break it to pieces. I still have hope but it hurts not knowing if he wants to be with me or not. On the other hand, I keep telling myself that i shouldn't be with someone who doesn't know if he wants to be with me.

Ann said...

Dear Anonymous,
I'm so sorry that this is happening to you. My husband left 2months ago. He came home from work one day telling me he wasn't sure where our life was heading and he didn't think he loved me anymore. He then moved into a friend's house down the street 4 days later. From there, he filed for divorce only 4 weeks into the situation. I have 2 boys, 3 and 1. I am still searching for answers and accusing him of being with someone on the side. He keeps denying it.
I have found a lot of support on this site. Please keep writing even if it's 2am. I wish you and your kids the best.
Ann

Ann said...

Dear Colleen,
I'm wondering how you are doing these days. I would love to smash my husbands car every time he pulls in the driveway. I have this whole daydream about it. Thanks for everything you've said. Even through your difficult days, you still find the time to help me up.
I have now spoken up front about who I think he is with on many occasions. He just gets defensive and skirts the issue. Then usually talks over me while heading back to his car in the driveway. I feel like when I have something I want to say he shoots me down and doesn't give me a chance. Who is this person that is so ANGRY at me all the time?? I did everything for him (even give him his haircuts because he said a hairdresser would never be able to do such a good job like I did -and I hated doing it every single time!)and he treats me with such disrespect. The only time he acts like his old self is in front of the kids (guess he's good at putting up a good front, huh?) Meanwhile, I'm falling apart inside.
I know Colleen and Nancy, you are not going to like what I'm about to say... but the way he's acting is sometimes making me feel like this is all my fault. Yes, I neglected him as a lover when I had my children. You know I just took care of everything all day and I guess I felt like I needed more support from him. And when he asked for "that" at night, it's like I wanted to scream my head off and say "I feel like a maide and now the tiny peace and quiet I have I have to give you my body!" I never was mean about it or anything just probabally should have opened up about my issues more. But he should have also. Still I feel like those are normal marriage problems especially when you have little kids. Is it grounds for what is happening now???
Everyone keeps telling me, if it is this girl, they are not going to last. But then I see how your situations are and it seems like your husbands are still with the mistresses. How could this be fair? How does this make sense?
Thanks for listening.
Ann

colleen said...

Dearest Ann
I am away in a game reserve with my boys + sister for a much needed getaway when ur message came through on my mobile - so I hope you get this.

You must understand that he is going to put the blame on you - who else can he blame? So what if you didn't feel like it for a while - you carried your children, went through the birth while all he did was have the fun in supplying the sperm! We have all been through this sex thing as women - so what! No-one feels sexy with little one's - you are normal. He's the asshole who needs to grow up and stop whining!

Don't take on his bullying! He will deny her till the end. Trust your instincts! Mine was very angry with me and still is - like this was my fault!

Please get yourself to a doctor on Monday for some anti-depressants - they are excellent - I am feeling like I can deal with life a better + cope now. If you break - you will be no good for your little ones.

Take care of yourself Ann and please remember how precious you are to so many people !

Sending you so much love and hugs
Colleen

Ann said...

Thanks Colleen,
I always owned up to it also. Explaining to him that it was hard to feel like you "wanted" to after being with the baby/toddler all day. I know what you're saying. I feel myself starting to get depressed over this. I have moments where I feel like I should just think of what I'm going to do today and forward. But then I have those moments where I'm thinking of everything in the past and how much he used to love me.
I honestly hate thinking sooo much. It's not good for me and your are very right... it's not good at all for the kids.
I'm so grateful to have met you and have your support through all this.

colleen said...

Dearest Ann
The problem is thinking too much and over analyzing the situation which unfortunately cannot be helped as you feel you have not been told the entire truth.

That is why you need help with meds - they take the edge off and help you cope. You also need counselling to help you get through this. It is very important.

Rejection is the hardest emotion to deal with. I still don't understand why he left me after 23 years to manage everything on my own while he lives in luxury. It makes you feel like your entire life with them was a farce - I know! All I can suggest to you is one day at a time ... your beautiful children are your gift and blessing - take comfort in them.

take care
much love
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Hi,
I see you offering encouraging words to so many women who are in desperate need of it including me. I had a abusive husband. He made my life unbearable everyday. He didnt care for our child from the day she was born. I left him. She is 15 months old.I know I can take care of her on my own. What I am worried about it that how do I tell her that she is soo wanted and loved in spite of the fact that her father is no longer around?I am worried that she might feel dejected because her father doesnt care for her

colleen said...

Dear Anonymous
Firstly well done for getting out of an abusive situation, that takes a lot of strength to do so.

Your daughter is still very young and all she needs right now is you and the security of your love. You can provide her emotionally with all she needs and she will grow up not knowing any different.

take care
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Hi Guys ... Cathy here ... look at some of the older posts and you will find me ... married 31 years ... an affair or several destroyed our lives and then he turned around and sued me for support ... 2 years 2 months ago.

To all the newcomers welcome ... so glad you found us as we are glad to have you in the fold.

Anon ... yes I was an abused wife ... not the beatings but sometimes the hurt you feel inside isn't related to physical abuse. Abuse is abuse. Hats off to you for getting out ... you are a stronger woman than I. My children ... although older do not care for their dad. My daughter refuses to communicate and my son well understands when Dad calls it is to get info. Families come in all shapes now. I think your daughter will love her mom ... that is all you are responsible for .... your love ... not his. In time she will learn your strength and learn that what you did you did for the two of you and that is a wonderful gift ... very unselfish.

To Ann ... welcome ... I have not responded to your messages because Colleen and Nancy said it all ... they took the words out of my mouth. The best decision I ever made was to connect on this site. No therapist could give me the unconditional love that has been shown to me.

So 2 years 2 months later where am I??? I still struggle ... I still have issues to sort through. I am dating but I am caught between two worlds ... liking my independence and dealing with being alone. I am however happier and more at peace. I too don't even recognize the monster I was once married to. I have quit trying to figure him out ...instead I concentrate on my new life and the unusal blessings that happened along the way ... some are deep friendships from this site ... hi Coll ... hi Nancy ... love you both ...

Wishing all well and much love
Cathy

Punam said...

Thanks Cathy and Colleen for taking out time to reply. This is Punam.I would love to help out too.. Share my experience with women who have gone through an abusive relationship and help them in whatever way I can.

Ann said...

Dear Colleen,
Thank you for trying to lift my spirits once again. I have been trying to focus on just me. I have some upcoming app. with local colleges to possibly go back to school and better my life. I have a therapist I see, but I've only met with her 3 times. When I see her I feel like I want her to fix me but I'm seeing now that therapy is a work in progress and not a quick fix.
I have my bad moments at night, like you said this is probabally the hardest times of the day. And yes, I would really like to have meds right now to take the edge off.
The other night when he called to say goodnight to my 3 yr old. My son told him on the phone that I was crying...then when I got the phone back he says "Is everything all right?" Like what am I supposed to do, tell him whats on my mind when I know he doesn't give a rats ass about me??
I think I'm at the point where its really sinking in now...I am alone.
Maybe one day I will meet someone, I know everyone says that, but right now what a long road ahead I feel like I have before I'll ever feel okay to be with someone again.
I just want it to be a year from now, and then 2 years from then, and then 5 years from all of it.
Cathy,
I am sorry for everything you had to go through. Like Colleen, you were married for so long. I don't understand why men can detach themselves and not look back. Thanks for posting your update now that it's been 2 years. I hope things continue to get better for you.
Talk to you soon,
Ann

Anonymous said...

Hi Ladies! Poppy here. I haven't posted in a while. I don't know where the time goes:)

Welcome to all of the new women. It is a hard road, but not an impossible one.

It has been almost a year and 7 months since he walked out on me and my 2 kids. We have been legally divorced for 2 and a half months.

I have not solved all of the resulting problems, but my kids and I are really happy.

I would never have chosen this path, but it is now my path and I have owned it and created a 'new normal' where my kids and I live and where we have become stronger by the day.

I had a therapist who told me if I just journaled 30 minutes a day, I would find clarity. After 3 sessions I basically told her where she could shove her journal. (I just wasn't ready to write...sorry Oprah)

I went on antidepressants, but they really aren't the answer. They did take a bit of an edge off when my divorce was final and reality set in, but they gave me migrane headaches and I couldn't deal with the medication, so I went off. If you want to take meds, make sure you know the side effects. Consider taking anti anxiety meds instead of anti depressants. That is what I wish I had done. I have issues with worry and anxiety more than I do depression.

I think everyone should make sure you have some strong sleeping pills near by...for those nights.

The hardest thing for me now is that I live in a town where everyone is in a 'pretend' happy marriage. Nobody is a single parent. My kids are the only ones that never have a dad there. I am getting better at dealing with it, but it is hard and a constant reminder. But, when I hear people gossiping about how unhappy they are...I consider myself lucky.

I have finally begun to let people back into my life. I have so many great friends and family members that wanted to help me, but I didn't want help. Now, I reach out to everyone and they are all there and it feels great. I now have the energy to do things for other people again. I am the soccer team mom for both my kids, ordering trophies, planning parties. I am the new Girl Scout Troop leader for my daughters troop. I can now tell people that I am divorced without feeling like I am going to throw up.

My ex continues to make little effort to stay connected with the kids. He is paying child support every month, but it isn't that much. He is still dating the French whore with the unibrow. (god, do I sound bitter?) Oh well. I hope he is happy with her. He hasn't seen the kids in a year. Such a shame.

I have started dating. It is fun. There really are great guys out there. I just went out with one who's girlfriend left him for another woman and tried to take their child and they had a viscious custody battle..they were never married. So, some guys get the shit, too. I couldn't help but laugh when he told me his story. He was really cute and kissed me:) I hope to see him next week.

And, so...life continues. I have more good days than bad. I have become better friends with my single girlfriends. I consider that a gift.

We are all on a journey. I keep telling myself that I have to go through deep lows in order to experience the great highs in life. After what I have been through, I feel like my next great high is just around the corner:) I am looking for it.

It is great to read everyone's updates. Hang in there! I used to eat a can of pringles and a bottle of wine for dinner...EVERY night! :) I think I did that for like 3 weeks.

Take care, everyone!

Poppy

colleen said...

Hi Girls
Poppy - nice to see how you've moved on to a new life and you sound happy.

Ann, the weekend is here, so I know its going to be hard. Have you managed to get some tabs to help you? I take Cilift which are not expensive and I can honestly say I have turned around 180 degrees. My ex was here the other day and I simply didn't care - he's like an insignificant flea.

Right now, the last thing in your mind is dating as you are so bruised and hurt, I'm told you need 2 years to yourself before you consider dating. So, heal yourself first and later, much later, your heart will open up again ...

For him to ask you if you are alright shows what denial he is in, and let's face it, after what he's done - would you really want him back?

So, wishing you a lovely weekend - maybe go visit your mom and spend the weekend with her? I'm going to put a costume on and do some gardening today. I was invited to go microlighting today with a new friend but had to take a rain check as I need to get my son to a cricket match - so I'll go another time - all about new experiences!

take care
love
Colleen

Ann said...

Hi Colleen,
Thanks for the encouragement. I did go to the Dr. and got something for anti-anxiety. I haven't tried it yet as I came down with a cold and didn't want to mix cold medicine with that. Also, today is Sunday I'm going to a friend's for a graduation party. I told my husband to watch the kids today while I do that. Last night, he informed me that on his Birthday weekend, he will be visiting his sister in VT. I was disturbed by this news all night. I felt like, for over 3 years I've been a stay at home mother, breastfeeding, taking care of babies, taking care of the house, taking care of HIM and HE is treating himself to a getaway????? I was sooo upset. I asked him about it this morning and he said "you can't get upset with every little thing I tell you" and I told him all the stuff I just said above. I told him how he is just okay with all this going on and doesn't care about how I get upset. That his sister is just condoning all this that he is doing. He said, callously, "This is happening and you need to just accept that Life goes on. I can't keep doing this every time I come over."
I HATE that He has no SHAME in any of this. I said that after. I said I was sorry I married you, I'm sorry I had kids with you, I'm sorry you think you're right. I know I feel like I'm rambling on. But I just get stuck in these moments. How could this man who loved me SOOO much now is acting like this? Like I don't matter. My mind can't understand this part and I want answers. I want to know why I have to go through such pain while all my friends have thier happy little families and comfort from thier spouses.
Poppy, I'm so glad you are in a better place today. I so wish I could be there.
I hope I didn't make everyone upset with what I said today. I just don't have anyone else that can truly understand this. My friends are supportive and hate my husband right now. They wish they could bump into him somewhere and smack him. But they still have thier families they have to tend to.
He's gotta get his, right?

Ann

colleen said...

Dear Ann
Very pleased you got something for yourself - that's the first step - well done, I'm proud of you.

There is nothing I can say to make you feel better except we have all been treated the same way. Their life will carry on as though nothing has happened while you are going to be left on the side-line. Remember no-one can feel your pain except you, those of us that have walked this path do understand and will do our best to help you get through this. Lean on your friends for support, you need them.

We all want answers which we will never get. My ex's sisters call themselves christians and yet have condoned and accepted what he has done - for me, that is unacceptable and I now call them the wicked witches of the west and quite frankly want nothing to do with them.

Surround yourself with people who love you and care for you - those that don't mean nothing to you anyway. You are so much better than them.

I've been in the position for so long of him taking care of himself first - luxury car, expensive watches, golf clubs, holidays for himself - the list goes on and on - while I got nothing except what I paid for. My fault I guess as I asked for nothing - stupid, dumb, blonde me!!

take care
love
Colleen

Nancy said...

Hello ladies,

Poppy, how wonderful to hear from you. You have certainly moved ahead and look like you are feeling more positive than you have in a very long time. Unibrow woman sure did get the raw end of the deal when she ended up with your former spouse--looks like he didn't do much better.

Cathy, I miss you! I hope you are doing well and enjoying life in general. It's been a long time since we caught up on everything, but you continue to be a huge inspiration to me, as I hope you know.

Colleen, you keep hanging in there like you always do and you'll see that life has great things in store for you and the boys. I am constantly amazed when I think of how somebody as selfish as your ex husband was able to deserve your love for so many years. Giving up you and the family life you all had is going to be the biggest regret of his life one of these days. There are just not a lot of women like you out there--so loving, loyal, spirited--a great friend, mother, and I know a wonderful wife. He's such an idiot! You deserved so much better than you got and life will definitely even things out in the future. I'm positive about that.

All of our struggles make us into the people we were supposed to be in the first place--strong women who are able to survive even the worst of circumstances and come out of them with resolve to be the best we can be. We are able to pass these traits along to our children and be proud that we showed such courage and determination to be happy again in spite of everything all the "hims" have thrown at us. They may have left the marriages, but they will never have again what they had with us--unconditional love and support for a lifetime. We knew their faults and we loved them anyway. We knew their struggles and we helped them through every single one of them. When life got tough, we stuck it out--we didn't run--and we are the winners in the long run!

Much love,
Nancy

Nancy said...

Dear Ann,

I wanted to write you a separate note. I have not been very good about responding lately, but I have read every one of your posts. I cannot tell you how much your thoughts and words reflect exactly the same thoughts that went through my mind--probably all of our minds. I want to tell you, Ann, that everything you are feeling is normal. You are not going crazy, your children will not grow up with major emotional problems, you did nothing wrong that warranted the actions he took.

Like Colleen and so many others of us, I also met with my doctor within the first week that my husband walked out. I guess I was afraid that the emotions I was having would eat me up--that I wouldn't be able to think rationally--and just felt like I needed something to take the edge off. It took a couple of months to feel the full effect of the medication, but one morning I realized that I had a much more positive outlook on life in general--whether that was the medication or just the time and distance from him, I'm not entirely sure--probably a combination of the two. No matter what it was, there was a moment when I felt myself turn toward the future more than toward the past. There were slip ups now and then when I felt like I was moving backwards, but then I bounced back and took a tiny step in the right direction again.

It DOES get easier over time, Ann. Like you, I wanted to fast forward time so I could be past the extreme pain that I was in at the beginning. I remember telling somebody on here that it had been only 3 months since my husband left and I couldn't imagine going through this for 18 months like she had been through then. Well, it's been 14 months since my husband walked out and almost 7 months since our divorce was final. I can say that I see him in a totally different light now. He took the love and respect I had for him and he threw it away like it didn't matter at all to him. He took up with somebody else and I felt like he may as well have dragged me to the curb on trash day. I see him now and think, in some ways, that I feel kind of sorry for him. He threw away what most men would love to find--and all he got in return was somebody that could make him feel like he was flawless. I knew too much--I knew how he had fallen off that pedestal I had him on--and he couldn't handle that so he had to find somebody who thought he was beyond wonderful again. It is just a matter of time before she sees what I see--but she does not have the strength to be on her own--they are both very needy people which, I suppose, is why they ended up together. She will wake up one day and be where I was--and he will wonder why he can't find somebody to love him like he deserves--never admitting that maybe he is the problem. Oh well...his life will be very shallow and empty in the long run and I don't enjoy that thought, odd as it sounds.

Anyway, Ann, know that you will be okay and your children will grow up seeing a mother who is a strong role model and can stand on her own two feet no matter what comes her way. You will get through this and you will discover a world you didn't know was out there waiting for you. Unfortunately, you have to experience the pain now to be able to truly become the person you are destined to become. Your husband is selfish beyond belief, and I agree that the fact that he asks if you are okay is an indication that he is not living in reality at this moment. He's enjoying the freedom he wants and expects you to be happy if he's happy--very arrogant and selfish attitude. I think what you may be missing more than anything is the familiarity of your life. Everything now is new and a little scary--before, it may not have been perfect, but you knew what to expect. Getting away from that is scary--but you will be okay, I promise you! You have a lot of women who are walking beside you right now and supporting you. We care about you!

Nancy

Anonymous said...

Ann,

I hope today is a better day for you! It is Poppy here.

We have all been there...wanting to change his mind. If we said something or did something different, he might come back and love us again.

The harsh reality is that it probably won't happen. I still don't know why my husband even left. He said he was unhappy. I asked why...he said (in therapy) that it was all my fault. I was surprised by that and asked what I did...he couldn't answer. I still don't have an answer..yet, it is still all my fault. My husband thought he would be so much happier if he was living on his own...guess what...he is on his own and is still unhappy.

My advice is that when you are around him, try not to emotionally dump. Be strong. You almost have to create 2 of you...one that he sees and one that is trying to recover and survive.

Good luck. Time will pass. I still tell myself...'ok, I just need this moment to pass and for life to give me a new moment'.

You will get through it!!

Keep posting your feelings here because we will listen!

Poppy

Anonymous said...

Cathy here ... Oh Poppy so good to hear from you. You sound wonderful and actually happy ... who would have thunk it ... I don't know how you managed to get through those trial days. Yes it is interesting being on the outsdie and looking into the so called "happy unions" around us. Funny thing happened to me this past weekend. I was at a friend's son's wedding. My two kids went with me. As it happened the wedding just about fell on what was supposed to be my 33rd anniversary. I was experiencing flashbacks and when the vows were said I became extremely remorse. I saw my friends sitting side by side at their son's wedding thinking that this is the way it should be. I grabbed my kid's hands and then I realized that what matters the most was sitting right beside me on either side. I have the best of the marriage. Later that night I told the kids what happened. They know that their Dad has sued me for support and won. They know each month I struggle to make ends meet. My son said to me ... Mum ...Dad sold us all fro a $1000 a month. I realized that I could never do that as my children are priceless.

Early on in the separation my ex had phoned the police to complain that I threw him out and he had rights. I had a lovely conversation with the officer that night as I explained what had happened. He told me he would give me one piece of advice. He said that things would probably get ugly (oh Yah) and to hang on the my children and their love as tight as I could and never let go.
I don't even know the name of the police officer but that night he gave me purpose. I owe him a huge thanks.

Ann ... I do not know what I did wrong. Whatever I tried was wrong. I became a camelion and lost me. Life alone has brought me back ... not overnight and through a slow painful process. I swore I cried ... I threw temper tantrums ... I got it out. You are doing what we all did are still doing. It will come slowly. In your messages i see you already changing ... you are not aware of it but we are. We can see it in each other but not in ourselves ... at least not for awhile.

Know you are loved and not alone. Seek out the small blessing that make you grateful ... no matter how small they add up. Laugh with us, cry with us, but know you are heard and understood.

Love and hugs
Cathy

Ann said...

Colleen, Nancy, Poppy and Dear Cathy...
Thank you so much for giving me strength to keep going. I've been reading all your posts every night.
I was at my mother in laws today because she was watching my kids. I notice I am begining to answer back to her (something I never did in the past) there is something about her now that I feel like I just don't have to take her crap any longer. I'm sure she feels that I have gained this power.
My husband and I had to go to court this week and it was awful! It was basically a teporary motion of orders indicating that my husband still needs to pay ALL bills and maintain the house while the divorce is in progress. Also, my lawyer asked for alimony because I am a stay at home mother and have no income. My husband did NOT agree to this... he was basically claiming that he is poor the way he is living now. It was too much for me to hear..HE chose to move out and move into a friends house with rent!
But I found it very interesting that since that court date he changed his tone really quick. Now he almost sounded empathetic and telling me how sad he is that he is not with the kids and that he can't afford anything and he sits alone every night.
Really really interesting....that when all the times I was pouring my heart out to him he was ice cold about it. But now that his pockets might be affected he is Mr. Sorry Pants.
I feel like he is protecting something. He really needs his money huh? You would think that if he's so innocent he would be willing to give whatever it took to keep the kids happy and healthy. He is also questioning on how long I plan on living in the house because he wants it back..NOT at all worried that I have to move the kids to a whole new place. He's more concerned about HIMSELF and getting HIS house back.
Cathy, you are right, I'm changing.. I feel different but don't know what it is. I hope it's for the best like you all have been telling me. I keep praying for strength and however I change that it's for the best for me and for my kids.
I've been keeping myself busy with appointments. I love my kids so much but I still am not being a good mother the way I was. I hope I can learn to just be with them again and not have my mind occupied so much with all these thoughts.
The thing that mostly affects me is how much it doesn't bother him that he's not with me. That is the part that just hurts so bad. And if it is someone else, how could he think that someone could replace me? This is a big weekend for me. I hope I have something to report to you all Monday.
I know that Colleen told me that she confronted the other person.. Nancy did you do this too? Cathy? Poppy? Also... how did he act when he knew that you found out?
If it's too much to re-live this memory please don't answer... Just wondering..I think I probabally can imagine what happened.
Thanks for being there for me again so much. I hope I can be as strong as you all sound some day.
Ann

colleen said...

Dearest Ann
You have already started the process of becoming your own woman, by standing up to your mom-in-law you are empowering yourself. Well done! You will notice small changes within yourself as you start moving forward in this process and all the small changes add up to big changes. Each morning and evening ask for your protection and to be guided in the light.

Are you sure you're not talking about my ex? He was so poor he moved into a very luxurious fully furnished apartment and left me to take care of the boys. But you know what? I did it - and I am still doing it. O - the "I am so lonely and sad" story just makes me want to vomit.

Why is it his house? Surely you are entitled to half the house? As a stay at home mom with such young children, the courts will be on your side.

Court is awful, just awful. I cried every time I was there. Where is the person who claimed to love you instead of the person sitting there trying to screw you.

One thing you will never get your head around is being replaced by another (if that is the case). I think the worst thing he said to me, was that he didn't find me attractive, nor sexy, and if he didn't leave me now, he would leave when my youngest is finished school - he robbed me of all my confidence and that is the cruelest thing a person can do.

You are a good mother - stop doubting yourself. You have a lot to deal with, so if you're a bit impatient with the little ones - thats understandable.

You take care of yourself.

love
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Hi Ann ... First you are a good Mum ... why? ... because you have not abandoned your family and you place their needs above your own. You can also tell the difference between what are selfish acts and what are responsible acts. Don't underestimate your strength and resilience. I am glad that you have started to take back your power. Way to go girl!!! Feels good doesn't it.

Yes Ann I did confront my ex's girlfriend in a very nasty situation where she turned up on my doorstep being invited in by my ex. He introduced me and said that they were in love. Next she told me that my ex had told her that his wife was dead. Needless to say she turned on him ... then a few days later was back with him. I don't know how I managed to get through the moment but I did. I tell you and others of this so maybe someone like myself has been belittled and betrayed like I have. Never have I known such pain. I wanted to die and I felt worthless, demeaned etc. I got through it with unconditional love from Coll and others who told me I was not a piece of crap and I was lovable. I needed to hear those words over and over again till I began to believe them. I was scared that at any moment even people on this site would push me away ... it never happened ... Thanks all ... today I can give back because I know what it is to be there.

Court was horrible. He screwed me with support as he liquidated all his assets and drained ours prior to the breakup. The courts aren't about fault ... they are about equalization. Your ex has a responsibility and he is trying intimidation. It's a control method. Be strong look after you and the kids first ... he will respond to your soft spots as he knows what buttons to push. Keep finding that wonderful voice of yours and keep writting ... cause you are important and we love you ... plain and simple ... luv Cath

Nancy said...

Hello Ladies--

I don't know why I am still so surprised when I read words some of the women write here and recognize how familiar they seem to me. I swear there must be a script for husbands who want to leave their wives out there. Ann, my husband was very similar to yours and Colleen's in the fact that he was so alone, lonely, poor, sad--he was sitting in that apartment all alone, you see, and I don't realize just how this is affecting him. Uh-huh. I believed him and I actually felt sorry for him for a long time--until the pieces of the puzzle started falling into place and I realized that his declarations of being alone were a bit of an exaggeration. I kept finding proof that he had not been suffering in isolation--the phone number on the pizza boxes he brought for our son's birthday party was not his phone number. I called the number and a woman answered--I made up some story about having received a call from this number and I was returning it. The woman hung up on me. I called my husband and "innocently" asked if he knew whose number was on the box--of course he didn't--must be a mistake. I decided to call that number back and find out who was on the other end, but when I called (10 minutes after the original call), the phone had been disconnected mysteriously. I knew then that he had called the woman and warned her that I had the number. It was too much of a coincidence. Of course, he had a story built up when I talked with him later--and he twisted the facts around to make it look like I was the one at fault for even insinuating that he was with another woman. I actually apologized to him for not trusting him when he said he had never cheated on me. Looking back now, I see that all of his declarations of being faithful were just lies. For him to have moved in with a woman before we were officially divorced and then lie about that too, was all the proof I needed. Both of them lied to my face and they know that I know the truth, but if you ask either of them today how long they have been together, their answers will be exactly the same--as if they had rehearsed the answer, which they did. I feel satisified in the fact that they have started their relationship with lies and hurt a family, and neither of them will ever be able to feel pure when it comes to that.

Like you too, I still find myself amazed that my husband so easily tossed me aside. It makes me sad to this day that the love I know we had--the family we had formed--was so easily discarded by him and he never seems to have any regret about it. He checked out of our relationship before I even knew there was a problem and then was shocked at how upset I would get during each phase of the legal process. Saddest of all to me is that today I am nothing more to him than his son's mother--and he feels more like an acquaintance to me than the man I loved and slept beside every night for 12 years. It makes no sense how detached he can be when it comes to me. The woman he chose over me is not a beauty, has no money, has 4 older children, is needy...is very nice, unfortunately...but is not the typical person you would think he would leave a wife for. I don't get it. Luckily, I did not have to do the court thing--had my own lawyer, but everything was settled outside of the courtroom. Even that process was very humiliating and impersonal. I hated every minute of it.

As far as being a good mother, don't worry at all about that. Your mind is distracted, as it should be, and your children are young enough that they will not know the difference. You are a great mother, like Cath said, because you put their interests before anything else. It will all fall into place--just stand your ground and do what you know to be best for you and the babies.

We care about you, Ann. We've been right where you are and the strength each of us have found here has been remarkable. It helped me more than the ladies here will ever know. It will help you too!

Love...Nancy

Ann said...

Hi Colleen,
My husband said the same to me the first night when he told me he was not in love with me any more. He said he had no desire to be intimate with me and was not attracted to me anymore. He said he thinks of me as a friend. I was crushed of course. How could he say and think such things after having his children? Why couldn't I have the man who loved his wife more than ever after such journeys toghether? No,instead I got a selfish baby who was thinking of his own attention while I was home with a toddler and a newborn who cried all day and night. Wow, how scary that someone can just turn on you like that. Colleen, thank you , I do pray so much for strength and peace for me and the kids. I even pray for my husband to be an honest man.
Oh, the house is definitely both of ours. But you see, he knows that someday I want to move back to where my family is. But he thought in his head I was going to run scared to my parents and leave the house. I think he had this planned but to his surprise I stayed and now am telling him I will stay until I have my feet on the ground. His answer to this is "Well, I'm not going to pay the bills here forever, you know" I don't care what he says, I'm not moving until I'm ready and have some stability.

Cathy,
I'm so sorry it happened that way for you. I can't believe he would say you were dead. God,how did he get out of that one with her? I am afraid of that same situation though. I'm afraid that one day he's going to tell me how he is in love with this person I suspect. If it is the person, she knows about me and she knew I had a toddler and was pregnant ( that's when I would guess it happened) I'm so glad you found the strength to keep going. I hope to also. And yes, a lot of it is because of everyone on this site helping me so much. Sometimes I want to say something and feel like "what if they think I'm being annoying. Or what if they are like "geez, will this girl get a grip?" But so far, everyone keeps supporting me and telling me how they know EXACTLY how I feel. Which I am sorry for , but grateful to have found all of you.

Nancy,
I feel the same way! I find myself feeling sorry for him, when just the other day I was wishing I would never see his face again. Why do they keep it a secret for so long even when you found the phone number and called??? I wish I could find evidence but I can't. I've been trying and trying but it seems everything keeps backfiring on me. I just can't catch a break here. I feel like someone must know what the truth is and how come they are not thinking of me and the kids? I believe you about the other woman not being pretty. It's almost like they never are. I don't know what it is either. All I hope for though at some point the relationship won't work out for your husband, Colleen's, Cathy's, and Poppy's. And of course, for my husband. I just hope that it wasn't what he thought and doesn't work out.

Thank you for caring about me and helping me through this. I really couldn't do it without your support. When I'm sitting here alone at night I always check the site to see if someone wrote back and if not, then I read the old posts to remember how much everyone is on my side.
Love,
Ann

Anonymous said...

Hi Ann,

So glad you find comfort in talking to us all. Ann, long before I had names and faces to my ex's affairs ... I knew in my heart that he was not with me. I thought having a face and a name would make it easier but it didn't. I do know that their relationship was based on a huge lie and it will never survive. Like Nancy's J & girlfriend and my ex and partner there is this hoovering and fear of not being attached to each other 24/7. Hmmm I wonder why ??? smirk smirk ... I think of the energy his new love is wasting trying to keep him in control and at the same time being totally controlled by the relationship .... hope that makes sense. My ex's "friend" drives him everywhere ... the leash is very tight around his neck .... more like a choke chain. Eventually you will see the truth ... be patient.

None of my ex's behaviours for the past few years makes sense Ann. I still question why it all happened but in truth there are no answers just more questions I guess I came to the conclusion that I could dwell on past facts that I could not change or explain or I could live in today and enjoy what I did have have not what I didn't. Ann it took awhile for me to come to that spot and even today I have to work very hard to stay in the day and only visit yesterday. I guess it came down to a matter of survival.

Keep in touch my dear and remember we are here for you. All of us are still on this path ... maybe some a couple steps ahead but every word you say reminds us of our own reality.

Oh yes ... welcome to the spa ... if you have read previous entries you will understand the comment ...

With love
Cathy

Ann said...

Hi Cathy,
Thanks for telling me all that, I'm sorry it was so painful for you. I'm trying so hard to just focus on myself and am getting better at it. But I find myself wondering what he's doing or what he was doing in the past. When he's with my kids, I'm wondering if he's with "her" and ask my 3 yr old all the time who he was with. No, I still don't know the truth. But my feelings are so strong how can they be wrong?
I hate the unknown. I hear you when you say that it didn't make it better when you knew about her. I'm sure I will feel worse. A friend of mine said that maybe there is a reason why I am not finding the truth right now. That maybe it's too much to handle. I guess I want the chance to scream at him about how wrong it is to do what he did.
I wish me and the kids can just go away and never have to deal with him again.
Today is his birthday. I didn't say anything to him when he picked up the kids. He is going away tomorrow for the weekend to visit his sister in VT (he said). Such a baby! God forbid, someone doesn't coddle him because it's his birthday.
Next week, he has to have surgery on a hernia. I wish you could see the way he is moaning and groaning and holding onto his side. I feel like saying "Get over it, it's just a hernia. It's not like someone stabbed you in the heart like what you did to me!"
Sometimes, I don't know if I'm mad at myself more for compromising so much all these years. Everything I did for him because I thought we loved each other.
Anyway, in the meantime I've applied to a community college. Hoping that if I can take some classes that maybe it will give me something else to focus on. And something that will be helping me for the future.
Thanks for listening.
Love Ann

Anonymous said...

This just happened to me not that long ago, and still angry and sad and everything else about the whole thing. I just can't understand what the point of spending a decade together and having 2 kids were if he was just going to up and leave especially when things seemed good. @*#%! Reading this made me feel better and I just realized I need to just come to terms with it and move on and just be good to myself instead of just becoming depressed. Thanks.

Ann said...

Dear Anonymous,
I'm very sorry for your situation. I keep asking myself the same thing. What was all those 9 years for? All that time vested into a life together and bringing 2 children in this world just for him to one day walk away from it all? I have a lot of help on this site, it's been the one thing I can rely on to keep my head above water.
Take care,
Ann

Anonymous said...

Dear Anon,

Welcome ... glad you found us but not so glad that you have to go through this ... Feel free to connect with us and we will help you any way we can.

Ann thinking good thoughts for you ... you and others always in my heart. Keep going girl ... you're doing great even though you may not feel it.

Hugs Cathy

Ann said...

I feel like every time I take 2 steps forward... he forces me to take 5 steps back. When he went away this weekend, I became very angry. So angry I almost couldn't handle it. I kept thinking of all the stuff he was doing, who he was with..etc. I know this is not healthy and the more I tried to keep my mind off of it, it kept going back to those haunting thoughts. Furthermore, I was angry that he felt like he has a right to just wisk away from the kids whenever he wants for a weekend to himself. Monday morning, I took the rest of his clothes and other belongings and packed them in garbage bags. Texted him that I'm not condoning his little affair anymore and that I want him to get anything that is his and get it out of my house. He said I had no right to tell him that because it's his house too. I kept telling him to go to his mistress's house and leave us alone. I'm so mad that I don't want him to come over anymore. I want this to be over and pretend I never knew him. I don't know how to not stop feeling like this. I hate feeling this angry. He is turning me into a person I never wanted to be. How do I get over this anger?
Ann

colleen said...

Dear Ann

This is not easy. Good for packing his stuff up. They want it both ways - you are seeing that now. He made the choice to leave - so he must deal with it! It is your house and your space for now - be clear on that.

The anger doesn't go for a long long time, it's normal for you to feel this way my friend. By getting his stuff out the house it helps a little and by seeing him only when you have to. We have stopped speaking since a massive fight 2 months ago and I feel better for it.

The only thing that helped me deal with anger issues was my meds which work well for me - they level my emotions.

take care
hugs Coll

Nancy said...

Dear Ann,

It really is maddening, isn't it? I agree with Colleen that the anger doesn't necessarily last as long as you feel it might, although it doesn't go away as easily as you hope it will either. There are times that I still find myself extremely angry with J--this week being one of those times. I guess the difference is that it isn't eating me up now like it did a year ago. I'm not sure what helped me the most--probably talking with friends who let me vent. I did a lot of writing--not necessarily journal writing, but letters to him that I never sent but just saved under my "Divorce 101" folder on my computer. I also saw a counselor about once a month and that helped too. When I would make an appointment, I would be so upset and feel as if I couldn't make it on my own, but by the time the appointment would roll around, I felt back to normal (or at least what the new normal had become) and then I felt sort of like I didn't have much to discuss. It's amazing how things come up in counseling, though, that relate to the situation but are discussed in such a way that you wouldn't have put it all together by yourself. That was a huge help to me.

Good for you for signing up for classes at the community college. Try to do some things that are only for YOU, nobody else. If you're like the rest of us, a lot of your energy has gone toward making your husband happy, even to the exclusion of what made you happy--because you loved him and you're more than likely a giver at heart. It felt so disrespectful to me that after all the times I felt I had sacrificed what I wanted and all the times I had backed him up in every way that he could just throw all of that back at me like it wasn't good enough for him anymore...like it was lacking something.

You are doing a great job standing up for yourself. He may as well realize now that he can't have it both ways. If this is what he wants, then this is what he gets but on your terms this time instead of him being the dictator all of the time and expecting you to just believe everything he tells you and do what he wants. You are a very strong woman and you are going to make it. Be angry--that's part of it. I am convinced that if you don't experience the anger now and then--if you repress that anger--then it will come out later on. Better to just let it all go through you and realize that while it seems as if everything is bad right now, the good times will eventually overtake the bad moments and you'll find yourself smiling more than crying. You'll even get to the point where he is not always a nagging thought at the back of your mind, like a weight on your shoulders all of the time.

He does have it good right now. For him to be able to pick up and go whenever he wants is a huge bonus to him. Meanwhile, you are the parent who is left to carry the responsibilities of the house and the children. I know you wouldn't trade him places, but it sure feels unfair at the moment, doesn't it? These things even out eventually, and one of you has to be the adult and the responsible parent--and it certainly sounds like he is not qualified for that job anymore.

It will definitely get better, but you are right that for now it feels like it's 2 steps forward, 5 steps back--just keep going forward at your own pace and you'll get there. Colleen, Cathy, Poppy, and I are living proof--we have our moments still, but we are nowhere close to where we were emotionally a year ago. You'll be there too, I promise you!

I will keep you in my thoughts,
Nancy

PS I went through two sessions of a DivorceCare group at a local church too, and I found that very helpful. If you want to know about it, let me know or look it up online. It helps a lot of people in our situations.

Ann said...

Dear Colleen and Nancy,
Thanks for letting me know it's okay that I packed his stuff.. He was making me feel like I did something SOO wrong I started wondering if the lawyers were going to bring this up in court. But when you two acted like it was a good thing then I know I didn't do anything crazy like he is making it out to be.

Nancy,
everything you said is exactly how I feel and how I think he feels and how I think he thinks about the whole situation. It is maddening.. that is such a crazy feeling. Because I know what normal is and what I had and did for him was above and beyond. You are right, I compromised a lot. It feels terrible that I thought all this time he KNEW that and LOVED the things I did. He did once. But someone how he lost it and turned it against me for some reason.
I can see how I've changed since this all started...3 months ago? At first, I was miserable from the moment I woke up at 4am to the moment my eyes forced me to shut them at 12am. Now, I am still filled with sorrow but can push it aside sometimes. I notice I can play with the kids for a few hours and even smile and laugh with them. My appetite has come back on most mornings and eat luch every day. Still not so great at dinner. Also I'm experiencing really High days and really Low days. So strange this thing that happens. One day I will feel really upbeat..and then I notice the next 3 days I will be really depressed and angry. It's like your mind is trying to adapt to the new way of life you were forced into but then wants to go back to the familiar memories.
I'm sure the holidays will be just awful. I'm trying to visualize them to prepare myself.
Still, I have a long way to go. I know that. I hope to be in your place once day.
I see a therapist once a week or try at least. She was divorced once and has a son. Her child is now in college and she is remarried. She said at first when her son was in elementary shcool, it felt like he was the only one with divorced parents. But then when he got to high school, all the sudden most of his friends had divorced parents. It's a sad thought really. But anyway, I did look up DivorceCare and there is a support group at a local church on Wed nights. I would really like to go. I just have to get someone to watch the kids and be willing to put them to bed since it goes on past their bedtime.
Thanks for being by my side and reminding me that one day I will feel better.
Ann

Anonymous said...

Ann,

Hi - it's Poppy. You were so right to pack up his stuff. You were actually nice to do that. I also went through that stage and wanted all of his things out of the house...so I took them to the dump. I am not kidding. It was a great day.

You probably need sleeping pills if you don't already have some. Those days when you are so mad and can't stop thinking bad things...you just need to sleep and wake up with a new moment.

The house is not 'HIS'. Don't listen to that. But, if you want to stay in it, you will be forced to buy him out of it. The courts will make you split the value 50/50 and if you don't have any money, you will have to sell it (probably). And, you will get money from him. The law here in CA sets minimum levels for child support, which is about $1000 for 2 kids, then you can get alimony up to 40% of his salary for half the years you were married.

Court is so hard. It is awful. Expensive and stressful. But, I is good that he is forced to support you and the house now.

It sounds like your strength is coming back. There is a weird point in this journey where you realize that he really isn't coming back, then you realize that you don't want him...even if he did come back, then you realize that you can actually make it on your own.

I would suggest that you try to figure out what he wants out of the divorce. It sounds like he wants money..or, to keep his money. Whatever it is, leverage it against him.

As for me...my ex is coming to visit in 3 weeks. He will stay a week. The kids haven't seen him in a year. I am a bit nervous about it. He could take the kids and try to get out of the country (but, I have all the passports). I am trying not to think about it.

On the more personal side...I am still dating. I have recognized some open wounds in my heart that I am working to heal. It is hard to be with a new guy, but it is fun:) And, I just got botox. :) After being mad for so long and stressed and not sleeping, I felt like the frown lines between my eyebrows were scaring people. So, I froze them. I love it. I look so much better. I literelly look happier, which makes me more confident and feel happier. Plus, I am almost 40 and I am single and have decided to put more focus on myself and my beauty. So worth it! (confession...ok, when my ex gets here, I want to look better than ever!)

Ann - I should add that he stil has not admitted to me that he has a girlfriend. He denies it. He has only been with her for about 7 months. So, there was never a confrontation. I dread the day I ever meet her. She is divorced and has a kid.

Hope everyone is well! Happy Halloween:)

Poppy

Nancy said...

Happy Halloween to you too, Poppy and everyone else--

Poppy is exactly right when she told you, Ann, that there is that point where you realize you CAN make it on your own. I mean, most of us logically know that we can do whatever we have to do to take care of ourselves and our children. I honestly thought at first that my husband would probably come back once he realized how lonely he was without his family. Then there were those moments when little things would come to light and I'd realize he had lied to me, some small, some a little bigger, but I knew he had lied. I used to tell myself that I wouldn't take him back if he asked me to, but I would have, I think, now that I look back on it. I really believed we could overcome anything if we both worked at it--that all of that work would give us an even stronger marriage in the long run. Well, that didn't happen--he refused to go to counseling and he had moved on before I really knew there was a huge problem.

Welcome to the roller coaster ride. Sure is hard to get off of it! Even now, 7 months after my divorce has been final, I still have some of those ups and downs but now they are not about our relationship, lack of, but about how I can't get him to support me or talk to me about how to keep our son's life consistent at both of our houses--same expectations, rules, etc. He seems to think that there is nothing to talk about so he just ignores any attempts to talk with him about our child. It's really weird this person he has become. The straw that broke this camel's back came two days ago when, weeks since he had last answered a text from me, his mistress (ok, his girlfriend) texts me and says he wants to know about our child's weekend plans. I became irate that he wouldn't contact me himself but asked this woman who was part of the breakup of my family to do it instead. I reacted by sending her a text back asking her why she was the one asking the questions instead of my son's father and basically implying that she needed to butt out of any parenting conversations. Well, guess what? I sure got a text message late that night from my former husband. He can't reply to texts about our son but he sure jumps to the keyboard when he feels he or his mistress have been criticized. Whatever! We used to have good communication at the beginning, but I think the two of them are now just so insecure about their relationship that I still seem to be a threat to the woman and my former husband is doing whatever he has to do--aka ignoring me--to reassure her that she is #1 in his life now. Whatever echo!!

I'm rambling on about myself, but I just wanted to let you know that I think you are doing great and I see you getting stronger, as well. Baby steps, Ann--as somebody told me last year, one day you will be a year past the beginning of your journey and you'll be amazed how fast it went--that is so true! I can't believe it's been over a year for me and I can look back now and see how much better off I am today than I was a year ago--SO much better. You can't fast forward the year unfortunately but it is the time you are spending now that will make you even stronger as the time goes by. Ups and downs, Ann...go with it and when you are really down, keep reminding yourself to wait it out and in a day or two you will feel back in control.

Poppy, good luck with the visit next week. You know, instead of the botox (which I think is great you did for yourself), perhaps you could have just grown a unibrow instead to hide the crease. Oh wait, that's been done and it is NOT attractive! :) Sorry, couldn't resist! By the way, I too look better now than I did when I was married and it feels great to know that he has to see it too. Better than a punch to the face--well, maybe not--should try that and see which one wins. An experiment, of course.

Cathy, what job at the spa does Ann get? We are excited to have her with us!

Nancy

Anonymous said...

Hello all ... Cathy here ...

Ann I am so proud of you. I have watched you gather your strength over the past few weeks. It started with your Mother in law and now you have had the courage and strength to say to your husband ... enough ... you are sooo out of here. I call it hitting the wall when the realization of what they are doing hits and you have had enough. I too remember packing my ex's clothes into garbage bags. The look on his face was priceless ... he was outraged ... never mind the fact that I had caught him in adultery ... I had the colossal nerve to say ... enough ... get out. It isn't about controlling someone else ... it's about taking control of your own life.

Like everyone else Ann I have good days and bad. I remember one day like yourself I felt a moment of happiness where I forgot all the turmoil ... it was a flash but a beginning. Trust that those times will grow. I too spent many an hour wondering what the two of them were doing ... my imagination was crazy. Give it time Ann. Hope that helps.

Poppy I understand how anxious you must feel with him seeing the kids. Is there anyway you can notify the authorities as to the possibility of him taking the children out of the country? Kind of like an insurance policy. Glad you are dating. I am also and it's odd ... part of me loves my independence and the other part misses the company. I still get a chuckle everytime I think of Unibrow...

Nancy ... I am just sitting here thinking of a string of names for J and S. He never ceases to amaze me. S has forgotten that she is not your son's parent. I am just shaking my head.

As far as the spa is concerned I think Ann should be in charge of recruitment and registration. I think she could also lecture on the subject of "How to Effectively Pack you Ex's Bags and Turf Him" or
"10 Ways to Tell your Ex Mother In Law that You Don't Give a Rat's Ass". Those are pretty well 101 courses ... What do you say Ann?

Happy Halloween guys ... luv you all ... Cathy

Ann said...

Hi Everyone,
We had a bad snowstorm up here in the Northeast and power was out for most poeple for 10 days +. The governor cancelled Halloween in MA. Most of CT also cancelled Halloweeen. Never saw that happen before. It's really scary learning to be alone and then when a disaster happens you realize "oh my god, I'm even alone through this and I'm the only one responsible for the safety of my kids." He came over the NEXT day to help us.. but he couldn't be bothered the first night when the power went out and the storm was really bad.
Anyway, when we got power back, I read all of your posts and it really helped me through alot of nights. I've been reading them over and over. I haven't responded in a while because I've been feeling just so deelply sad lately. Sad and numb. I really miss everything we did as a family. I miss the old him. Since the storm, I've been cordial with him. He's been nicer to me since then too. Plus, I'm trying to help my 3 yr old who is having a lot of emotional breakdowns now over his father leaving. He's really feeling the loss now and cries almost every night when I put him to bed saying he wants God to bring Daddy back. Last night we had a rough night, so I texted my husband and told him (without anger involved) how hurt I am over him leaving me and how we both made a decision to bring children in this world to raise them together. I told him that just becasue I act like I'm okay in front of the kids, in no way do I really think it is okay that he left me and the family. He said he doesn't expect me to be nice to him and that all he can say is that he is sorry for hurting me and the kids. I didn't expect any miracle answer, I knew what he was going to say. It was more for me to remind him that his stupid impulsive decision to leave will never be accepted.
That's it..Lately I don't know how to be. I think I am just numb now.

Nancy,
If the "other woman" ever texted me something like that... I would really have a hard time keeping myself under control at that point. I hope your husband learned never to let her ask you something like that again.
Also, I don't think you are ever rambling on about yourself. If anything you are just helping me more by telling your story.
Poppy,
I hope everything went okay with his visit. Please tell us about it if you feel up to it.
Cathy,
thanks for thinking that I am strong. I don't see it that way. I just see it that I have to do it becasue my kids need me and they are so young. If I din't have children I honestly don't know I would have handled this.

I will gladly accept my position at the Spa and hand out free garbage bags too.
P.S I never told you that I threw his Favorite jacket in the trash and then put it in the garbage bag with his clothes. When I saw him wearing it I laughed to myself because he had not I idea that it had been swished around in the big plastic garbage bin outside.

Hope everyone is doing well,
Love Ann

Monica said...

Wow I read this and laughed just when I felt the tears coming... This is truly great to read. My husband has left me and our three kids for the second time since last New Years. I have got to say that this time I am more numb than anything. I think I am actually shocked that he pulled the same stunt as before. (before a huge holiday) My 6 year old is taking it the worst... she said to me "mommy but you and dad are married together" :( Heartbreaking I don't even know how to hold back the tears! I love my husband so much but to be really honest... he has hurt us so much this past year I cannot imagine ever being civil. I hope we are one day but for now I rather not have any communication with him. I do miss him terribly. I can still smell him at home... Its the saddest thing to be in love with someones scent!!! I don't know how will handle things when he finally comes to pick up all his stuff... I'm scared but not as scared as when he left us last year. That was way worse!!!! I had no job no money and had to move out all on my own with my babies. I am happy and proud to say that I was able to find a place and maintain it till this day all on my own. He in fact moved into my place when we got back together. I can do it alone I know that... I already do but the emotional trauma he left behind is huge. So much hurt for my kids I can't bare it. They deserve better and I do believe I do too. This time will be different I want to heal better. So I will see a therapist soon... Thank you so much for this blog! You ladies are all so inspiring. Much love to you all and best wishes.

Nancy said...

Good evening, ladies--

I hope you all had a nice Thanksgiving. Mine was quite different this year than last, but still not at the point where I can look around and feel carefree--was my life ever like that? I just don't remember what that feels like anymore.

I have been in a bit of a funk the last couple of days. I think the holidays have a lot to do with that. I have spent this weekend doing some online shopping. Last year, I left the mall twice in tears and realized I just could not be around all of those happy families when my own family was being ripped apart by my husband's actions. This year I am feeling much better but the joy that used to come with the holidays this time of year is just not there. I am doing my best to stay upbeat around my son for his sake, but if it was just me, I'd leave the tree in the attic and not put up any decorations at all.

The relationship between myself, my former husband, and his mistress (I can't think of her as anything other than that no matter what role she plays now) has been somewhat tense the last couple of weeks. I used to think we could all be such good friends, but they are no friends of mine. I sent an e-mail to my son's father last Wednesday asking him a question about our child's birthday coming up--no reply. I sent a text today asking about the need to make a change in Christmas plans--no response. Tonight, he calls to say goodnight to our son and then asks to talk to me (he graced me with his attention for 2 whole minutes!). In the background the entire time I'm hearing a baby crying. He said he was too busy to reply to my message earlier. I finally asked him if he had a baby there and he said there were two of them--and I hear him laughing and his mistress laughing in the background. So wonderful they are having such a great time, isn't it? I didn't say anything but the second I hung up the phone, I began to cry. It's ridiculous to be sad at hearing him laugh--but it's hearing him laugh WITH her, the woman he left me for, and knowing that they are having a great time together with somebody's children while I sit here alone putting my child to bed and feeling very isolated in the house he wanted, on the couch he picked out, memories everywhere around me. It shouldn't upset me but it does. I really don't know how to get over the hurt--it creeps up on me just when I think I am over it. I still just don't get it, and I still wonder when he will say he is sorry for the pain he has put us through. An apology--never got one, never will. The anger and hurt are still inside, although better than they were a year ago, still feeling very nostalgic this time of year and wonder how he doesn't feel it too.

Enough of that--took the Tylenol PM to help me sleep tonight. Is it bad to just want the holidays over with? My son's birthday party is on December 11th and my former husband wants to come to the party, bringing his girlfriend with him. I'm uneasy about that but he tells me it's all about our child, not us. I agree, but why do I have to sit in a party with this woman he left me for for 2 hours and be uncomfortable the entire time? Worst still is that I don't want to hurt his feelings and come across myself as a selfish bitch who isn't thinking of her child's best interests when I tell him I don't want the two of them there. I need a backbone with him--he still has so much power over my emotions--and I hate that!

Time for bed--hopefully I'll be a bit more upbeat next time. I hope all of you are doing well. Ann, how are you this week? Monica, welcome--we are here for you as much as you would like us to be. I'm sorry to hear about your awful year and all you are going through. Welcome to the club--wish you didn't meet the requirements to join, but I'm glad you found us! We are here for all of you!

Nancy

Ann said...

Dear Nancy,
I've been thinking about you a lot. Usually you are so great about writing and because you haven't been on, I've been worried about how you have been.
I feel like I am going through what you described exactly what you went through around this time last year. All those families! I feel like I barely see anyone that looks like a single mom out with thier kids. Yet, I know they are out there? But where?
The holidays are pretty tough. I keep reminding myself that I have the best part. I get to see my kids have fun and see Santa and he does not. He's missing out on so much. One day maybe when they are in thier 20's he will be filled with guilt for having missed so much of thier lives.

I feel so bad that you have to hear your ex and his mistress go on laughing like that on the phone.
I believe you too, will have your day. You will be laughing with your new person . And all this will make sense for all of us. There has to be a reason why we are going through this pain.
Right now, maybe they seem to be okay. But when you meet the "one" you will be truly happy because of what you have experienced. You will be a better lover and partner. That will make that love truer than ever. And think of how you want this person to be with you. You already know you want someone who will love your son to pieces and who will be a strong man who loves you and loves to make you feel safe. And yes maybe your husband seemed to be that peson once. Once. But he turned out to be weaker than you ever imagined. So did mine.
I believe all these things because I hear how you make ME feel better and what a good person you are, that I know there is someone that would love to be with you.

I can see how the birthday party would be upsetting. I don't agree that SHE should be there. Maybe your ex. but she should stay home. I don't even know her but man she sounds like a piece of crap.

My husband has said he was sorry for what he is putting me and the kids through. But honestly, it didn't make me feel better, because I don't think he really understands what sorry is. If you were sorry, you wouldn't cause so much pain.. to us. To your own children! Never would I ever cause my 3yr old to experience such turmoil at such a young age! Or any age.
Anyway, I've decided to push my anger with him aside. Why should he see me act like the crazy person? So he can walk away saying "See, I had to leave!" No way! I try (very hard) to only think of myself and the kids now.

I hope the holidays go by fast too.. I just want to move on with the next year. I hope that you will feel better soon. I know you won't be in this funk for long becuase of how emotionally strong you are.

Love,
Ann

colleen said...

Hi Girls

Welcome Monica - we're always here for you.

Nancy, the holidays are always awful - brings back all the memories. I think he is being very inconsiderate and selfish by coming to your sons party. I would not do it.

It's hard enough for you to try move on with having the constant reminders.

Ann - you've been very quiet. After reading your post, am very proud of how far you have come - xxx!

Cath - love you always!

Coll
xxx

Nancy said...

Hello ladies--

I just have a quick minute to write while my kids are at lunch, but I wanted to check and see how everybody is doing today.

Ann, I know your decision to not let him see the anger is such a hard one to keep. I made that decision many times over and many times I broke that decision and ended up looking like the crazy wife, I'm sure. It just made me so darn mad that the whole thing that my former husband was putting us through just seemed like such an easy thing to him when it was a MAJOR life changing event to our son and me. I still don't understand how he was able to just discard me so easily after years together, but then I keep telling myself that the man who did that is not the same man that I married. I just wonder what that man went.

Anyway, we are adjusting pretty well overall. The holidays are still not tops on my list of motivational activities, but it's just a busy time of year with work, as well, so that may be part of it. It is TONS better this year than last, though. I had to keep telling myself last year that looks can be deceiving when it comes to those families at the mall. I kept telling myself that no matter how happy they all looked, who was to say that they were really like that at home? Maybe they were terribly unhappy and the husband beat the wife but they just looked the part of the content family in public. Pessimistic thoughts, I know, but it helped a little when I began to think I must be carrying some kind of brand that said, "abandoned by husband" on my back for everybody to see.

I can certainly see why some people get so depressed during the holidays, can't you?

Here's something weird for you to consider. Last Friday, I dropped off my son with his father and the girlfriend. Normally, his dad has nothing but one word syllables to say to me and rarely with any kind of personality involved. It's like he's talking to a repairman who has come to do a service when he speaks with me, if he even does that. Last Friday, though, he and the girlfriend seemed to be in particularly good moods because they stood there with me for a full 5 minutes and talked and laughed and were as pleasant as they could be. I had a flash from the past when it came to my former husband--I saw his old self for just a moment. It couldn't have been friendlier and I left confused as to what was wrong with them that they were being so normal. On Sunday, though, it was raining and they were running late to meet me to bring our boy back home and when his dad got out of the truck, it was obvious he was in one of his "moods." He had a frown on his face, didn't respond when I made a joke (and yes, it WAS funny!), handed me the suitcase, hugged our son, and got in the truck and drove away with hardly a word to me. Deja vous mood! His girlfriend waved and smiled goodbye, and for a fleeting moment I felt a little sorry for her because she was stuck with him in that mood. It was light and stress free and fun in our car going home--it was dark and moody in their truck. I know that feeling and it was nice to leave it to somebody else. It's amazing how free I felt at that moment. Goodbye, have a nice night with your negative personality. Hello, happy little house--we're coming home! : )

Hope all of you have a good weekend. Let me know how you're doing when you have a spare second or two, ok?

Take care!
Nancy

Ann said...

Hi Everyone,
My husband is at his company Xmas party tonight.. the one we went to for so many years. I'm sure they are going to wonder why he is there alone tonight especially since I also wasn't at the company Halloween party that they put on for the kids. He said his boss was making him feel obligated to go and he was going just for an hour. I told him it still hurt my feelings that he would even want to go without me.
Anyway, as I was on the couch cuddling with my sons and watching Curious George.. I thought how I was so lucky that I was able to cuddle with them instead of at some dumb party with people who didn't matter.
Colleen,
Yes I've been quiet because I find it easier not to think anymore. I finally understand what it means to "take one day at a time" not think about the past and not think about the future. I think it's getting easier to deal than it was when it first happened of course, but still very hard at times..still trying to survive all of this. I hope you are doing well. Have you and your ex worked out the conflict yet?
Nancy,
It is very hard not to show anger.. I keep telling myself what good does it do?? I did it so much in the begining and only upset myself while he went about his day with no concerns. It doesn't get through to him at all. Now I just say what I'm feeling when I feel I have to. He seems to respond to that more... I don't care about him though. I'm doing it for me. It makes me feel better about it. Of course, I think sometimes that maybe he's compling because the divorce isn't over yet. I keep my guard up always.
He's been nicer and wanted to get our Xmas tree together. But I told him that it would be best if just me and the kids did it on our own. What does he think? He can still play the role of family man but not be my husband?
It's not like I want him to be mean like he was before.. its just that sometimes when he's being too nice or wanting to help out... makes you think "is he changing his mind?" but I try not to go there because it could be hurtful. I just don't want him doing extra. We're not pals, you know?
I have those thoughts too sometimes when I see those famlies like you did in the past. I think that I really don't know if they are happy or not. It's not that I want others to be miserable but like you said, it helps to remember that I'm not the only one alone. Really, I want Xmas to be over. I even thought of flying to FL for a few days before and after Xmas. I figure the kids won't know the difference. They could open thier gifts when we get back.. But realistically... they are only 1 1/2 and 3 1/2 and they would be SOOOO much to look after near the water by myself. I know how my 3 yr old is.. he dares me a lot and takes off when I'm not looking. So guess I just have to wait until it's Jan 2.
Maybe next summer or fall I will take them on vacation by myself.. I'm sure by then I will be a lot different. I already know I'm different now than I was 4 1/2 months ago. If someone told me last year that a year from now..I was going to be going thru a divorce and enrolling in college at the same time I would never believed it.
Monica,
I'm sorry you are going thru this again..I hope you and your kids are getting thru this time of year okay. Please let us know how you are doing.

Again and always,, thanks for writing especially during this time of year.
Love,
Ann

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