Wednesday, May 13, 2009

what to do when your husband leaves you

1. be in shock
2. feel horrible, sad, angry, hurt, bewildered, confused, scared, desperate, and sick.
3. enjoy the extra space in the bed, but wonder why when you and he bought sheets together a couple of weeks ago he bothered to pick a color, instead of letting you pick both colors, since in a couple of weeks they'd just be your sheets anyways.
4. do the dishes and sweeping and other chores with insane frequency. this insures that a) you never have a giant insurmountable dish or laundry pile to tackle while you are in complete pain and b) that you always have something to do with yourself and c) that you don't totally sink into a dirty, dog hair, dish-piled, linty, puking, unfunctional (yeah, i just coined that word) depression. at least your depression will be clean and free of literal debris.
5. you will find that even with your chore vigilance, there is much too much time in the day. so...clean your house of all that stuff you've been putting off getting rid of. put his stuff into garbage bags or boxes and stack it some where out of the way. i like to do this part in little bursts and stages by just doing a box from here or there (if like me you have a lot of stuff in boxes that you were going to go through someday--the day is here!). this is a good thing to do for a couple of reasons...if you have suddenly become a single mom of three, including a toddler, you are going to have to go to school funded by lots and lots of grants and loans or you are going to have to get a shit-paying, time-sucking job very soon (or both! ugh). when this happens, you will not have time for several years to deal with all that stuff and you will feel it weighing on you and looming above you and it will be hard to feel excited by your new life because your home will be heavy with all the shit you have to do. so do some of it now, while you have all this time that you can't sit or be still for long without crying and getting yourself all screwed up with no decent result. it feels good, is satisfying, is functional, is practical, and you and your home will feel better for it. and, most importantly, it uses up the time.
6. feel overwhelming hope and gratitude for the situation because if he would do this to you, he is a fucked up dick anyways and once all this horrible sadness and pain clears and heals, you will be a better person. your house will be a happier, more peace-filled place, and that will be good for you and your kids. the goodness part comes in the future and right now you have to operate on a cocktail of logic and faith. it makes sense even though you might feel like begging him to stay.
7. beg him to stay. when it doesn't work, reaffirm that you were right about that gratitude and hope. of course you were, you are always right!
8. hug your kids a lot and let them cry. tell them it's okay to feel anything they feel and you are there for them to talk to, hug, cuddle, be angry with, play games, watch movies....whatever they need. also let them know that they can call grampa, gramma, auntie, and friends to talk. let them know that they can ask you anything and everyone who loves them is there for them if they need anything, even if they want to just talk to someone about you, because it's okay if they are angry with you, or feel you did something to cause the situation. feel proud when your eleven year old says she doesn't blame anybody, but just feels so sad.
9. while you are having these conversations with your kids who have just been abandoned by the man they love and who promised to take care of them forever...you might feel a rage and hatred toward him that makes you want to beat his face to a bloody pulp and then stab it. let the feeling happen, and then let go of it because it just takes energy away from you if you hold onto it. the feeling will probably return the next day when you are having the horrible crying pain with your kids again. repeat process of letting the feeling happen, and then letting it go.
10. you will have moments of rage and resentment because you are being left to do the job of two parents all by yourself. you will think about how unfair and shitty it is of him, because your life is set up the way it is because you both agreed for it to be that way. deal with it. don't cling to the rage and resentment. what he's done is unfair and wrong and also stupid--but so what? don't let his idiocy ruin you.
11. remind yourself to love yourself and to take care of yourself. it's fine to be shitty to your body for a few days--you may be inclined to drink a lot of wine, beer, or whiskey and smoke too much. okay. do that for two or three days, and then get back to normal. get on your bike. take the kids to the park. if you can afford it, get a massage. if you can afford it, get a massage every week or month for the rest of your life. if you can't afford it, save your pennies until you can and in the meantime accept all the hugs people will offer you when they find out your husband left. feel them. don't let go too fast. these hugs are like plugging yourself into something that makes you light up, they restore energy.
12. you will probably be unable to sleep properly. if this happens longer than a couple of days go to the doctor's office and tell him your husband just left you and your three kids and you can't sleep and you need something to help you sleep so that you can function and cope. hopefully he is a nice and kind doctor who will probe you for how you're doing and give you tissues and say it's fine to cry. he will give you a short-term prescription for ambien. take them the way you are supposed to and be on the lookout for side effects. do this even if you normally don't take pills--this is what modern medicine is for. this is an acute trauma.
13. if you haven't done it yet, call a therapist of some kind and set up an appointment. guiding people through trauma is their job, they have tools and they know things you don't. it will be easier for you to do all the *stuff* you have to do to set up your new life if you utilize this resource. you will be less likely to slip into a horrible depression that you don't see. it will help you stay on track.
14. vacillate between emotions and feelings and desires. but don't tell them all to your husband. they will change a hundred times a day.
15. try to remember that he is wounded and broken. that a sane and healthy person would not do this. try to have compassion for him and know that he is doing the best he can with what he has. do not try to take care of him, but try to have compassion quietly in your heart. this is for you. resentment and anger that are not allowed to pass through us, but rather encouraged to stay, will poison you. you didn't ask for this or want it, but it's happening and you will be okay some day--some day will come sooner if you acknowledge the angry feelings and let them go.
16. you will have friends reveal themselves to you. people that you know on a casual but regular basis will quickly learn of what's happened. allow them to commiserate with you. talk to them about it. you didn't do anything wrong and have nothing to hide or be ashamed of. they might offer you help, hugs, childcare, tea, etc. you might feel like not taking them up on it because of this or that reason you make up in your head. don't let yourself do that. thank them for revealing themselves to you in this way, and for offering help. call them and let them help you. you are building friendships that will strengthen your new life. you will be able to reciprocate some day. accept everything you can, even if you have to force yourself. you need the help, there is no getting around that. so accept their offers with grace (and yes, you can have grace while you are blubbering and wearing the same shirt for three days and smell like cigarettes and pain). thank god and the universe for the people in your life who support you, and thank the people.
17. just keep going. you will get through it.
18. if you have kids, make sure to facilitate good times for them if they want them. there is no reason for them to wallow in complete misery. doing this will also help you to not wallow. good times are good times. rent movies and plant seeds and take care of your pets and your house together.
19. figure out what you're going to do to pay your mortgage, electricity, gas, phone, internet, dog food, etc bills. yes, it's overwhelming and if you think too long on it, you might start crying. cry. then go back to figuring it out. if at all possible figure out a way to survive that involves doing something that you love. your life is transforming now, you will be creating something different than what you had. this is an opportunity to create something you will love and enjoy. if you have been a homemaker for your entire adult life, go back to school if at all possible--you will be able to meet new people, learn new skills, and be better prepared to take care of a family and all the attached responsibilities than if you just panic and run out and get a job any job. ideally you will be creating a life where you don't just survive, but also thrive.
20. try to eat something.

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Tracey said...

Thanku colleen for your advice.

Im trying to keep smiling and put a brave face on but its hard.

I have to see quite alot of people in my work and have to put a brave face on, even though inside you are crying on the outside you are smiling.

I wont hide away, even though i want to, i wont let this beat me.

He wont win because im stronger than he is. I have had to be to keep this family going, he has walked away so it proves he cant be very strong, he is a coward he has gone and put his head in the sand rather than face up to problems. This goes for all our ex's who have all run away from us.

Im trying to stay positive and what doesnt kill you will only make you stronger.

As you can tell today is a better day.

We all need know we are being strong by keep going and looking after our families. So hold your heads up with pride.

Love Tracey

Anonymous said...

Thank you Colleen.

Last night before sleeping asked for a dream to help me know what to do. I had a dream that we were back together. There were reminders that she had been with him. I didn't want him any more. It was the first time that I woke up without the feeling of "Oh no it's not a dream". I was actually glad it was. Once a cheater always a cheater. If they did it to us they will absolutely do it to them. As well, the fail rate of relationships that are born of infidelity is 80%. All those women won is a selfish liar.

Strength and peace

Happy Mom

colleen said...

HI GIRLS
Well, it's 1am and I am awake again...

Tracey - Saturday today - look like the beautiful woman you are. When you feel beautiful outside, you are confident inside. Will be thinking of you today ...

Happpy Mom - I call those dreams "nightmares". I used to dream about them together a lot - no longer, as I simply don't care. Am dreading the day when he brings her into my boys life - I will go ballistic!

I wonder how she is feeling now that I have served summons on her. Yes, it is now time for accountability. She slept with my husband without caring who she was hurting. The wheels of justice will turn ... I have a good legal team, but at the end of the day, it is up to a judge to decide. They deny the affair! How do you girls read this - sent 31 Dec. 2008:
"To the one I have lived for, loved and laughed with in 2008, I look forward to lying in your arms, kissing your sweet lips in 2009 - love you madly! xxx"
Heeelllloooo??? I wasn't born yesterday!

Have a special day and do something for yourself today!

Go In Love and Peace
love
Colleen

Shine said...

Hi girls,

Just thought I'd let you know that I've been feeling stronger the last two days. After my recent angry night and day , I sent him an email saying that despite my kind, loving and forgiving actions over the past 3 months, I am feeling very hurt and disappointed by his actions; I'm not happy living separate lives and I can't go from intimate marriage partner to 'good friend' the way he has overnight. I told him that I wanted to work things out, what was important to me in a marriage, and that I wanted to meet to talk to him about his thoughts and feelings now we have had some time apart and both of us are living more balanced lives. Needless to say I haven't heard back from him, but I am feeling empowered by my honesty. If he's not strong enough to respond to my letter and arrange a meeting, how will he ever handle being in a marriage relationship? The longer he stays away, the less I respect him. I told him that I would like to know whether he wants to return now, some time but not yet, or whether he feels he will never be able to trust, accept, forgive, commit, etc. I phrased it in such a way to hopefully point out to him that a decision not to return was a reflection on his shortcomings rather than my inevitable imperfections. If this is the case I am well out of it, because there is no healthy marriage without reciprocal, unconditional love.

I too walked through the shopping centre today, past all the couples, but as I did so I reminded myself that many of those couples' lives aren't perfect either, even if they are still together. For the moment I am free and feeling good about myself because I know I've done all I can.
We have an opportunity to take stock of our lives, who we are and reinvent ourselves in a positive way.

Have a great day!

Tracey said...

Hi everyone

It was a bad night last night all i could think of was my ex.

Got through the football, was ok people just acted as normal. Didnt feel to bad. Another first over with now.

Wont feel bad nxt week now.

Just spoke to my mother in law, she has just rung my ex he was angry with her too, an he didnt want to be told what to do either he told her. I think he is depressed and is blaming us all. He needs help and i would love to be there for him but he wont let me, he thinks we are all the problem when obviously after 3wks an 5 days alone and still feels angry that its somethink in him whats making him angry.

Wish men could talk to us we wouldnt have all these problems of them running away from it.

Well done Shine for taking the bull by the horns, we have to fight for our peace of mind.

I dont like to wait for anyone to decide my future but in this instance i know he needs space, but that being said i will heal a bit each day and it may be too late for us if he doesnt gets his act together.

I know he may never get his act together but that will be his loss. He will have lost a loving wife and family.

Love Tracey

Misty said...

Colleen I am sorry about what you are going through. I do hope things get better. it's not fair for him to put you through what he has. Men do think they can just hurt women and walk away fine, which is just horrid. Keep smiling and you will get through this.I know you will. :)

Tracy and Shine, time will help you heal. It has helped me a great deal, and each day gets easier to breathe on my own. My husband walked out suddenly and filed for divorce the very next day after he left. I was blindsided considering the night before Id asked him if he was happy and he he told me yes. Men can be so cold and I will never understand it but we will all survive this and be happy within ourselves and our lives. Stay strong and keep smiling. You're stronger than you think...you will be ok.

Tracey said...

Hi everyone

Had another rough night constantly thinking of him.

I think deep down i thought we could sort our marriage out. But how do you sort a marriage out when all he wants is to do his own thing? That doesnt include me and the kids or his family? It feels very soul destroying to think that is the reason we have split up.

I know time is a healer but, how do you get over it when he has walked away for freedom nothing else? I wish i could walk away but i am tied down like the rest of you we dont have the luxury. We have to stand tall and take care of our families.

When do the men take their responsiblites?

Love Tracey

colleen said...

Hello Tracey
Yes, they are perfectly capable of just walking away without looking back.

Generally a man does not leave his family just to be alone. I believed mine, but I was the fool, he had someone all along.

Keep your eyes and ears open.

love Colleen

Shine said...

Hi Tracey,

My husband also seems to be just enjoying his freedom and doing his own thing without wanting to admit his part in the relationship breakdown. I read today that some men prefer to let the marriage fail than admit they have problems that need to be faced and addressed. I could believe this in my husband's case because he seems to have a deep inner lack of self worth and security which led him to say and do anything to please me. I realise this isn't encouraging and it may not apply to you, but the decision to leave and stay away for as long as it takes is a sign that they aren't coping.

I still haven't heard anything from my husband after emailing my letter last Thursday. Part of me worries about the effect it may have had on him, but a greater part of me is glad that I had the self-respect to tell him how I was really feeling. I invited him to contact me when he was ready to talk. I think I need to leave him alone now so that hopefully he will do some soul searching about what he has done and what he really wants. People have told me that he may need to hit rock bottom before he can move forward. I have certainly done that, so I need to give him the time to do that too. It will help me too, because if I'm not seeing him I won't have to cope with the happily married couple routine without the reality. I do miss hearing from him by text or email, though.

Try and take one day at a time. Don't think about yesterday or last night. Start and finish each day by reminding yourself that you are a loved and special person. Try and do just one positive thing in the day and feel good when you've done it. I have become a real 'do-gooder' and look for opportunities to make others feel loved. It reminds me that other people have problems too, and it makes me feel good.

God bless.

Tracey said...

Hi everyone

Shine i believe my husband is going through a breakdown and this is why he is so angry after being away for 4weeks. I think that you are right about him not coping, how can he when he isnt used to dealing with finances or daily shopping etc. So it will be very hard to do but he is stubborn and may not come back due him not wanting to admit he was wrong.

If that is the case then he isnt worth it, i must try and move on.

I am doing this very slowly but as the nights get lighter and the sun is out more i will feel better.

He doesnt know what he is missing, all the pleasure from the kids and happy times with my family. While he is alone in his rented bedroom.

Love Tracey

Anonymous said...

My two younger kids have been complaining that I leave whenever Daddy comes over, that they never see me so I decided to go skating withem on Friday night. The ice was no good so we came home. My daughter asked her father to watch the hockey game. He did and stayed until 10 when she had fallen asleep. The next day I went snowboarding with them and left early because I was going out. They slept at their father's place Saturday night. The next morning they came in the house at 10:30 to pick something up and go to his sister's house. He asked if I wanted to go. I had plans and said I would go another time. I asked that the kids were back for the game at 3. They came back and so did he. He needed my help with some work. Too much. He's too comfortable. I don't like that I have to see him to spend time with the kids. How come now he has to spend so much "quality time " with them. I have to rearrange our schedule.

Anonymous said...

BTW I forgot to sign my name. That was Happy Mom. Peace ladies.

colleen said...

Hello Ladies

The energy is takes to try and figure out why they have left is draining and lands up consuming you.

Shine, its wonderful that you have turned to helping others. I read a recent report on a women who said to her psycologist she felt she was having a nervous breakdown - his adivce: go out there and find people who need your help.

Tracey, maybe he is going through issues. One of mines reasons were that he had never been alone before and need to find himself.

Happy Mom, mine did exactly the same. Was here on a daily basis and disrupted our lives constantly. He wanted the best of both worlds. Life was far too comfortable for him. Even staying for dinner and dropping his laundry off each morning. My friends were horrified. I let it happen for my boys but it was not healthy. Now that the divorce is proceeding he has turned nasty. I have taken the gate remotes back so he cannot pop in and out anymore.

The reality of losing my home is becoming very real, he has taken more money out of the mortgage - it is now up to one million which he has taken. There is nothing I can do as it is in his name.

Go in love and peace
Love to you all
Colleen

Shine said...

Hi Anonymous,

It is very hard to take the fact that they want to be involved in our lives and enjoy good times but on their own terms. I encourage you to set your own boundaries while your husband wants to continue living apart. Do you think he is moving toward reconciliation?

Although my husband is coming out to do some work on the pool tomorrow, he has arranged things so he won't see me and I certainly won't be able to drive him home as a way of thanking him. He seems to be deliberately trying to prevent me showing love to him. A friend suggested it could be way of avoiding a return to intimacy, especially now he knows I'm feel hurt and disappointed as a result of his actions. He may not feel able to face me in person. I realise there's nothing I can do about this but I will keep trying to show him love when I get the chance. How can I possibly have a marriage relationship with someone who can't handle his own and my emotions? I have to remember that while it's OK to care about him and want the best for him, I am not responsible for his happiness or well-being.

Tracey, he is definitely missing out. He can't see that yet but if he is honest with himself and able to face his feelings, one day he will. I found it difficult coping with my children in the midst of my grief at first, but two of them have had birthdays recently and I am so glad I have them in my life. It's nice to have their company. I don't know what the men think and feel when they are alone - or maybe they bury it all and don't feel at all. Either way they have given up all the benefits of a close relationship.

I watched a movie last night in which a man was very much in love with a woman. He recognised parts of his personality that weren't helpful and took steps to change them. As I watched the way he looked at her and treated her with love, I couldn't help but be struck with the difference between that man and my husband. That is the sort of relationship I want. I thought I had it, but it was just a charade. Are there really men like that out there or is it just a fairytale?

Shine said...

Oh Colleen,

Sorry, I didn't see your post. I am praying for you. Have faith and hope. All will be well.

Tracey said...

Hi everyone

Colleen my thoughts are with you at this time it must be so hard to face the fact you might lose your home.

Shine, maybe your husband is staying away because he cant say no to your face and doesnt want to face up to the fact he has hurt you and might have to take some responsibilty for you seperating.

I think we all have seen a movie where the men are supportive, loving and are not afraid to talk and show there emotions. Maybe they are made by woman.

I dont know what the men think when they are on there own i have tried to understand what it must feel like but i cant, my kids have been my life line, having to take care of them, if i was alone i dont think i would have been able to get out of bed the first couple of weeks.

Im in a good place today been singing in my car then went for some retail therapy and bought some nice undies for me. Got a few smiles and looks from men too, the split up diet has improved my confidence and i feel good about myself. Not that i want to meet another man but it makes me feel good.

Keep smiling and do somethink nice for yourselves.

Love Tracey

Tracey said...

Hi girls

Just to let you all know i live in uk so thats why my posts seem very early. Its 18.55 when im writing this. Just noticed when i sent last post what time it says.

Love Tracey

colleen said...

Hi Tracey
Thanks so much for the support.

I live in South Africa and the time here is 9pm.

Off to bed shortly!

love Colleen

Anonymous said...

Wow we're from all over. I'm from Canada. Doesn't matter where the situations are so similar. There are no men on here as of yet but do know some men who have experienced the same thing as us. One man caught his wife cheating after 30 years of marriage. She ended up leaving him and the kids (20 &22). He hasn't seen her in 7 years and neither have they. He is now happily married to a woman and has been so helpful to talk to. He is a councelor and is also my professor. He assures me that it takes about a year but that I will live and love again. He said that I will enjoy all the "firsts" with someone again. He also says that the father of my children is going through a classic midlife crisis and will probably end up regretting his actions. we'll see.
Good luck ladies.

Peace and strength,

Happy Mom

Tracey said...

Hi girls

Happy mom, i think mine is going through a midlife crisis too, he has all the symptons. But what happens when women go through the menopause we dont run off like men do. I think a lot of men just cant cope with responsibilites so run away. Like the cowards they are, then cant admit there lies to us, they try and hide it, but as colleen says we will find out in the end.

My ex just popped up on facebook as a friend of friend, didnt add him just blocked it, dont want that coming up when im on facebook.

They seem to haunt us where we go.

Love tracey
Its 8.00 am

Shine said...

Hi Tracey,

Thanks for your comment. Yes, my husband seems to be going to great lengths to avoid talking to me at all now. He came over this morning while I was at work and fixed the pool, but didn't text or leave a note to say he'd done the job. When I got home I didn't do anything either. Finally he sent a text and I sent him a text with just two words - Thank you. He doesn't respond to any of my emails and only to texts if it's about an urgent repair. I should just leave him alone now. I can't believe that last night I sent him a loving text message again. I thought I was past that! but sometimes the feelings you have for them just come upon you. It was interesting though, like sending off a message of love to the ether. I didn't expect a reply. It felt good to feel and send love, even though I knew it would have no effect on him. It was like sending love to a memory I have of him. That might be a sign that I am moving on.

Happy Mom, I'm glad you were recognised for the beautiful person you are while out shopping. We all need to remember that we are beautiful inside and out, and cherish the occasions when other people remind us of that. I agree that attention from other men is great for the ego!

I have started playing table tennis once a week. It's something my husband and I never did so it's untainted by shared memories or shared friends. No one's there to hit on anyone, just to forget our other concerns for a while and play the game. It's great!

By the way, I'm from Australia. have a wonderful day, ladies!

mrs brightside said...

colleen, sorry i havent been on for a while ive been through the worst time ever. he totally played me!! claimed hed had a breakdown and had screwed me up more than ever! i fell for it what a bloddy fool. will i ever learn, ive just gone back 2 the moment when he walked out on me and my kids while we slept!

colleen said...

Dear Brightside
I am shocked and so very angry - exactly what mine did to me! He bought himself time to hide assets. My laywers warned me this would happen, but I delayed the proceedings as I did not want to hurt him - how sick is that? I believed that he was genuinely sorry. He showered me and my boys with Christmas presents to show how sorry he was.

As I said earlier, in December I was taken back 6 months emotionally, and my pain was then not only being abandoned but also betrayed.

They are deceitful pathalogical liars - we are gentle and caring. It is not in our nature to stoop to their level which is why we cannot understand why they are doing this to us, the mother of their children and to their own flesh and blood.

Every day I am discovering new levels of deceit. The web of lies is unravelling and the truth is beginning to reveal itself.

I saw my psycholigist yesterday and what he told me was mind blowing. He is absolutely furious at what is being done to me and my boys. He diagnosed the ex with a serious personality disorder. This is not new. It has always been there, I was just too stupid to admit it. Thought it was normal for men to be like that. My psycholigist had told me in our 2nd session in June that ex was lying and this situation does not fit the mould.

Remember, these doctors have studied and practised for years. They know classic text book behaviour, you cannot pull the wool over their eyes. A man does not just leave for nothing! Ever!

I am so furious right now I am shaking. Cathy and myself have been worried about you, we then assumed that your life had worked out and you had taken him back. Just yesterday I was on line and you were in my thoughts so strongly. Cathy is busy getting ready to move home. Her court date is also coming up.

If you want to talk off line for safety reasons, please feel free my friend. I have also opened a blog site which I hope I have done correctly.

My heart is reaching out to you and I'm sending you love and a BIG BIG hug!

All my love
Colleen
baptie@saol.com
http://all4women2day.blogspot.com

colleen said...

Another thing he has now done - he has now stopped my monthly payment. I have now been left with no money and 2 boys.

Well, sorry for him. I am not destitute, he has no idea! He is just empowering me more and more every day.

Bring it on!!! I may be small in stature but my spirit is huge. Big surprises come in small packages.

Anonymous said...

Mrs. Brightside, Colleen, & all you other ladies, it is terrible what these men have done and are still doing. I hope that you can not take on the anger too much. It isn't good for us and is wasted on them. I'm starting to think what we share in common is our dealings with husbands who have narcissistic type personalities. We are shocked at their behavior because we don't think the same way. I've been looking into it and I now understand a lot of things about our relationship. I never realized my husbands ego was so fragile. It explains everything.
Colleen, like you we probably will loose our home. My ex isn't in touch with reality. He thinks we can keep it. Meanwhile, I'm having to pay bills on credit. No sense. My responsible, logical, husband has turned into an irresponsible adolescent. I am not rocking the boat because I know if I do he would get nasty as well.

And this too will pass. I look forward to the days when we write to each other about all the good things that are happening in our lives. It will come.

Peace and strength.

Happy Mom

mrs brightside said...

colleen, thanks for thinking about me but no things were not going well at all hun, he has been told he has manic depression and is seeing a counsellor, but i really believe he is beyond help! he is totally screwed but still living the high life while i work allday 2 keep my home, he stopped my money also saying he cant afford it. oh yeah lovely and what about me and my children? i feel like shit 2day im so tired of doing the job of 2 people, we went into thid together and now hes just bailed on me! whta total bastard. i know anger dosent help but at the moment its all thats keeping me going. i dont have an asol account so dont know how i would chat? i did add you on facebook? x thanks for your words and thoughts megan and happy mom

Tracey said...

Hi everyone

In a very good place at the moment. Lost more weight so got to go out an buy more clothes. So i feel very good an this is getting me lots of attention, this is giving my confidence a very much needed boost.

When he left you feel like there is something wrong with you. There isnt we are all strong women.

Take these small joys and bring them out in ur times of need.

I have also been talking to other men who av assured me and made me realise that they are not all idiots.

Im a long way from having another relationship but the attention helps you keep going in the bad moments.

We are all worthy off love dont give up.

Love Tracey

Shine said...

Tracey, I'm glad you have had some positive experiences to encourage you and make you feel good about yourself. I have been chatting to a 'friend' on shelfari, a social networking website for readers, and having some really witty and funny online chats. I haven't been in touch with this side of me for a long time and it's great. Yesterday I went to my monthly knitting for the needy session and that made me feel good about what I was doing too. The group consists of older women and their perspective on life is refreshing.

I sent my husband a text today asking if he was coming to mow next weekend. Another text/email ignored. It's so rude! It's our wedding anniversary this Saturday. I've been uncertain as to whether I should do something or not. I was feeling particularly kind towards him today and have a card and present ready to send. So what if he ignores my texts and emails? I'm giving it 12 months. I will do all I can to show him I want to reconcile in that time and leave the rest up to him.

He simply won't tell me what he's feeling and thinking. After nearly four months I don't think it's unreasonable to suppose he might be reconsidering his decision. If he definitely still wants to end the marriage I would rather he said so. I wish he would just say something!

I would be interested to know what others have done about their anniversaries?

Tracey said...

Hya Shine

I think your answer is he doesnt want to be in a marriage, but is too much of a coward to tell u this. Instead he is ignoring it and hope you will just give up.

I wouldnt give him anything for the anniversary and see what he does first, if he brings you something then iwould give him yours.

Love Tracey

colleen said...

Hi Girls
Tracey am so pleased you're feeling good about yourself. You are gorgeous and it is a good feeling to see men appreciate you.

Shine I wouldn't give him anything. I regret the gifts I gave him for Christmas - a card about going through hard times and that God will carry you through plus a keyring cross - what a joke - should have given him a Satan doll.

Yeah, my life is pretty shocking right now. Received legal letter from him - wont pay for anything other than boys school fees. Still no money. Am living on my savings. But hey, he cannot touch my soul. Have spent 2 days crying - he can hurt me emotionally but I will not allow him to break me.

23 years together to be treated like this. It is almost as though I'm the one who had the affair - he is so bitter. Why? I don't get it.

love to you all
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Colleen,

You say he is bitter although he is the one who was wrong. This seems to be a recurring theme. The father of my children wanted to end the marriage and it was all my fault. He omitted the part that he was seeing someone. They unload their guilt and miserableness on us. Don't let it weigh on you. You know he was in the wrong and so does everyone else. Every marriage has it's trials. That doesn't give them license to disrespect us. The husband of a friend of mine(our husbands were friends and my husband was horrified at what he did)started an affair with a woman right in front of her friends and cousins. He left her and the kids. Now takes care of the other woman's kids. Doesn't support his. All this and he's still mad at my friend. It is sick. Thankfully, that was eight years ago. Today she is happily married to a wonderful man. Her ex has been in and out of jail and is still miserable. Things sound rough for you right now. It will get better. I hope you can resolve everything to your liking.

Thinking of you,

Happy Mom

Shine said...

Dear Colleen,

I am praying for you. God is with you and he will never leave you nor forsake you. Keep reminding yourself that this is just temporary and things will get better.

I am feeling stronger today. I read again some articles about shy narcissists, which I believe my husband to be. They have helped me understand that I didn't really have the loving, giving person I thought I did, but that his overly affectionate behaviour and way of saying and doing anything to please me and gain my approval was simply his means of feeling accepted and loved. He is no longer looking to me to fulfil that role in his life, and has returned to trying to please his mother. That is how he has been able to drop me so easily and without feeling. They can't handle criticism of any sort, and when they feel your needs are becoming too demanding, they leave. I feel a lot less hurt and disappointment knowing he hasn't gone from loving me to not loving me; he didn't truly love me at all. I feel sorry for him and, while I am still attached to him and willing to support him to sort though his issues if he comes back, I really don't think he will. What I need to focus on now is dealing with my own feelings of love for him, know that they aren't truly returned, and prepare my self to put them to bed.

Thanks for listening.

Shine said...

Well, that's it. I received an email from my husband tonight, confirming that he's not returning to the marriage and he felt too uncomfortable to tell me to my face. Although I'm not surprised, I'm still upset. At least now I can get on grieving over what I thought I had.

God bless you all.

colleen said...

Dear Shine
So, he didn't even have the guts to tell you to your face. I am so sorry for the pain you are in now. Hang in there!
love
Colleen

Tracey said...

Dear Shine

I am so sorry that he as proved to be such a coward by not facing you to tell you this news. Why do men feel like they can walk out on us. They then hurt us more by not admitting that the marriage is over until they are pressured into it. Keeping us on a string like puppets, waiting and hoping its just a temporary.

Shine its hard but you have got to look after you now.

I have realised that i had lost me while married to my ex, my life focused on me being a mother and wife. All my time was taken up with being wife and mother so i got lost. I have now found me and i deserve to be happy in my own right not because i had sorted problems for my ex or kids.

I love my kids dearly but they deserve a happy mum and this is what i am working on.

When i think of my ex now i think off all his bad habits and bad times which there are plenty of. I find this helps alot.

Take care love Tracey

mrs brightside said...

shine, mine was the same total coward didnt have it in him to be honest maybe because like you said they want to keep us waiting or maybe its because they are just sick! not happy with just turning our lives upside down bout not letting us move on either. well im here to tell you that we will and to be honest we can sleep at night knowing we are good people, the only thing wrong with us is our husbands! hang in there hun it does get better. this blog has helped me so much.

Tracy i too focus on his bad points and to be honest there is a lot to choose from. im starting to see how much i put into my marrige and to supporting him that now i have time for ME! would like to let go of this hate i have for him because hes not even worth that emotion from me! maybe in time i will. what i would like to do is crack him in the face but i dont think that would help haha

Tracey said...

Mrs brightside

I know how you feel wanting to pop him in the face. I think we all would like to do that to our ex,s.

Just think one day they will all get there just deserts.

Love Tracey

Anonymous said...

Shine,

This is the beginning of your healing. Take time to feel the pain. Think to yourself "that's what pain is like. Then bring yourself back to now and think about what you will do for yourself enjoy the moment you are in. When you feel sadness think "that is what sadness is like" then bring yourself back. It doesn't matter how often you have to do this. The important thing is that you keep forcing yourself back to the here and now, yourself and what you are doing because it is you who is important.

I wish you peace and strength,

Happy Mom(see below two comments that I found inspiring)

1)I was right where most of you are right now...grieving, and hurting. because of a MAN who left.  I cannot explain how I finally just WOKE UP and realized that it is a total disrespect of ourselves if we allow another person to cheat on us, leave us, lie to us and come back into our lives. We tell ourselves.."I want him back"..."He still Loves Me"..."What a Connection we had".."we were Best Friends".  BULL...to all of it.  I allowed my so called HUSBAND to leave me and come back so many times, that I should have installed a revolving door in our home.
I don't need or want this.  There is no security in this type of living. Yes, I grieved...but when I realized I was grieving for something the HE had thrown away...I stopped. If he did not value what our life together was, then he was the loser, not me.  I tolerated asking no questions as to where he was, putting up with him returning my calls to his cell, four days later...not knowing where he lived, or worked anymore...and THAT DAY CAME.  THE DAY HE DROPPED BY...AND IT JUST WAS'NT THERE FOR ME ANYMORE.  I felt no anger, no love, no "pity"....I felt nothing, except that I just wanted him to be on his way.  He actually wanted to drop by and ask for a reconciliation...and it BROKE my heart for me to tell him.."I Don't Love You Anymore". I wished at the time, it was him telling me, instead of me telling him as the vengeful attitude I had once held had gone as well.
How did I get there?   TIME...I stayed busy. I didn't sit and dwell on him. I stopped all thoughts of him as soon as they came into my head , whether good or bad...I do not want to give anyone that kind of power over me.
Your significant other does not love you or respect you ...AS they should if they cheat, lie, or disrespect you. Everyone makes mistakes, yes, but these mistakes
usually get repeated.  If a spouse can see you in utter pain and not stop immediately what they are doing and fix the situation, forget it. It ain't easy, but it's easier to live with yourself, all by yourself, and be prouder of yourself ...if you do.   GOD BLESS...PRAYER WORKS WONDERS TOO!

2)You will indeed go through a grieving process, one similar to experiencing the death of someone close to you. Embrace it, because each step in the process (including the times you feel like you can't get out of bed in the mornings and face the world) will get you to a point in your life you never imagined you could be.

I'd say that most marriages that end due to affair end because the adulterer feels that new infatuation excitement that you tend to get for a new person. You're a smart lady and you know that will pass. And it will. So rest assured when you lay your head down at night, that some day, at some point he will regret losing you and miss you. You may never hear it from him but that doesn't mean he won't feel it. HOWEVER, this is your time to work on yourself so that you wouldn't even dare think about taking him back or giving him one more second of your life.

No time is wasted time......learn from it, grow from it and learn to find the positives in your life. My heart goes out to you and the heartache I know you're feeling, but at the same time, I'm excited for you.....because I know that behind these dark clouds you've got SO much happiness ahead. :-)

colleen said...

Hi Girls
So nice to be able to chat at 4am in the morning. One thing we have all learnt as Brightside said, we all lost ourselves in the marriage. Now is our time to rediscover who we once were.

Yes, it is hard to understand how on earth they could be so cruel to us. I am beyond understanding. The hurt and pain I have been through - for what? He left me on my own for 10 months, allowing me to think this was just a break before I discovered his 2 year affair.

One thing I am certain of, is that I am happy on my own. I don't need to pussyfoot around him, no snoring at night, no bad moods.

I celebrate being ME. I am going away end of March in my caravan for 10 day - Eeck! I have to tow it myself - Double Eeck!

love to you all
Colleen

Shine said...

Thank you to all of you - thank you so much for your heartfelt words of kindness and support. I appreciate being part of this blog so much.

Today was tough as I'd had only two hours' sleep last night. I wrote an email to him in response to his and am very pleased with it. I have been loving and accepting to the end, and he could not fault me over the past few months. He wants us to start thinking about selling our house because we are struggling to make ends meet living separately. Fortunately he moves slowly, and I am firm about discussing the financial implications of the separation with him in person, which of course he is terrified of doing. So I will have time to think and prepare a case to meet the needs of my children and myself.

I can see now that he is incapable of being part of a real marriage relationship and always has been, but I could never have known that. He cannot communicate his true thoughts and feelings without an intense fear of being rejected, cannot deal with conflict, and covered all of this with a veneer of loving and affectionate words and actions in order to gain my approval and acceptance. My head knows I am wasting my time thinking about what might have been if he hadn't had this disorder. I can't fix him and he won't let me walk with him on the journey to healing.

My problem is that I'm not sure what to do with the good memories, because I don't know whether they were genuine - what was part of the act and what wasn't? Was he just going along with something I wanted in order to feel loved himself? I suppose I could say to myself, "I enjoyed it when we did..." without trying to guess his motivation, but then I might be tempted to miss him and want those good times to become a reality again, which of course is impossible. No, I think it's best to simply keep reminding myself that I was deceived and try not to make the same mistake in the future. He says he will hold on to the good times, but it is clear to me that that's all he wants out of a relationship - good times. He's not willing or able to work through the hard times which are part of every close relationship. He only wants half a relationship, and I doubt he will find that with anyone.

I particularly liked this quote from Colleen:

I love my kids dearly but they deserve a happy mum and this is what i am working on.

Thank you everyone. I am feeling better for having shared all of this.

Tracey said...

Hya girls

Mothers day this wkend going to see my mother in law, hope i dont bump into my ex, i havent seen him since we split up. I think its made it easier to deal with not having to see him on a regular basis like all you others have.

Going out this wkend cant wait feel very good 2day.

Lots love
Tracey

Shine said...

Hi Tracey,

I hope you had a wonderful time. It's good that your mother-in-law is supportive.

Happy Mother's Day to everyone!

I had a lovely day out with my daughter yesterday (my wedding anniversary). I found and bought myself a necklace with three discs on it saying 'faith', 'hope' and 'love'. It was a perfect way of affirming myself at the closure of my marriage and the beginning of my new life, unknown and scary as it is.

My husband ended up sending me a very nice card, thanking me for all the good times and fun we've shared, and saying that he'll always remember them. Unfortunately he doesn't understand that marriage means accepting the bad as well as the good, and that the not-so-good times can be opportunities for improved understanding and growth.
I am feeling hopeful as I step out into the future, because I've learnt so much about love and relationships and am wanting to put what I've learnt into practice in my other relationships (family, work) as well as in a future romantic relationship if it ever happens again. I know I will still have many more sad times as I grieve for a marriage I thought I had, but to come out of this experience feeling hopeful of good times ahead, and having faith in myself...that is an amazing thing!

Tracey said...

Hya Shine

I am glad you are feeling so positive, i think that staying positive is helping me to get through.

The future is scary but also exciting, who knows what is roud the corner, but we need to grasp it with both hands and embrace all that it has to offer.

My ex hasnt sent his own mother a mothers day card, how can he be so cold to all of us, he blaming us for his failures, a very unhappy man.

My night out went well danced to the very early hours, life is good.

Positive thoughts to all of you

Love Tracey xx

Tracey said...

hi all

I am so angry my ex as contacted his sister to ask me if i would let him have his tools, these are tools that have been bought for the house. What gives him the right to think he can have anything he wants, well my answer was no of course he has got what he wanted and that was out of our marriage. So as far as i am concerned that is all he is getting. I have proberly paid for most of them anyway.

Cant even contact me to ask for them, cant believe this is the man i was married to. He seems such a stranger. COWARD comes to mind.

Trying to be positive not working very well at moment, as you can guess.

I think that i didnt realy know him and that it was all a lie. How can anyone change that much? or was i wearing blinkers?

Thanks for letting me vent.

Love Tracey

Anonymous said...

Tracey,

I share your anger. Often our stories seem like they are about the same man. The stranger like quality is the common denominator(18 years, my best friend). Good you vent, then let it go. Don't let him occupy your thoughts. Think of you.

Strength and Peace,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

What I want to know is how could my husband have been miserable (not unhappy) miserable for eight years and I not know it? I have been supportive of every dream he had, even helping him in all of his endeavors. I look the same (his words) as the day he married me. I have a 4.0 GPA in school. As well, I am very easy going. Excuse the language but what the he** was there to be miserable about???

Sorry for the rant but I get irate sometimes:)

Happy Mom

colleen said...

Hi Girls
I know what you all mean. 23 years together and he has been unhappy for 10 of them? Oh Please! That is absolute rubbish! They are trying to justify their actions.

We did nothing wrong. I've also asked myself if I was wearing blinkers. By thinking this way, we are taking the blame on ourselves. This is not our fault.

Girls - face it - they are cowards and have all pulled out of the marriage for selfish reasons. We will drive ourselves crazy by trying to understand why.

For all of us, this is going to get worse. Accept it and get a thick skin (my doctors advise). I am in self-preservation mode right now. Am busy working on my house without any help. Have put my back out but will get through this. I have switched my mind off to him and what he is trying to do. Let the lawyers deal with it and ask God to give me the strength to carry on.

love to you all
Colleen

Shine said...

Hi everyone,

Saw my therapist yesterday and he was very supportive as usual. His advice was the same as we've given and received here - look after yourself (eat well, exercise, enjoy your interests), live a balanced life, look after the other people in your life (children, parents etc)and live in the here and now. Don't keep thinking about what has been and why, and what you want to say to him. That keeps you trapped in the past. Think about how awkward it is when you're together now, and plan a happy life for yourself in the future - without him. As hurtful and bewildering as it is, they are different now. They are no longer the men we thought they were and loved.

I've started looking at places to live, and while I'm very disappointed that I will have to leave the beautiful home I have now, I am determined to choose something (however humble) that I am happy with. I refuse to be a victim. Although our husbands left us (and therefore had the control), we can now have (some)control over what happens next. I won't allow myself to be forced out of my home until I've found somewhere that I'm happy to move to and until my children are ready.

It's good to feel the anger, Tracey, and then let it go. I've read somewhere that the person who angers you controls you. God bless.

Tracey said...

Hya girls

Yes i was angry but the vent yesterday helped, im not going to let him get me down i have been working hard to keep positive and i am not letting him control how i feel he has done that enough in our marriage.

I want to live my life not to just exist.

I agree with colleen they are all COWARDS.

That is how i think of him now
not my ex the COWARD. Ha Ha

Love Tracey

Anonymous said...

This past week I came to some realizations about our relationship. I realize the negative effect my ex's personality had on me. I was constantly having to defend myself against his critique of my character and his judgmental ways. As well, he constantly told me what to do in front of the kids so I had to fight for any bit of power I could. It made me act in a way that I don't like. I didn't recognize myself and I didn't like how I saw myself in his eyes. When I would start to tell him something, he would cut me off because he would remember something he wanted to tell me. Eventually I shut up and I became invisible with nothing important to say. He is right about one thing, he is miserable but it had nothing to do with me. It is inside him. He It comes from his own crotchety, fork tongued manner and his own dissatisfaction with his career not going how he had planned. I happened to be in the way of his blame. Now that I am away from him, I feel stronger and relaxed. I will never let someone make me feel that way again.

Now if I could just stop feeling so lonely:( I am sure that will ease with time.

Happy Mom

tracey said...

Happy mum

U will feel less lonely as time goes by, you will get used to the quiet and enjoy it.

Being in charge of your life is a great way to start, so keep being positive, u were probable lonely while you was with your ex as well.

Enjoy your new found freedom and be strong.

I have decided that life is for living and to take every oportunity as a positive step no matter how bad it may seem at the time.

We are all stronger for having survived these bad times, we will all come out better than our ex's i promise you all.

Love Tracey

Anonymous said...

Thank you Tracey,
You are right, I was lonely when we were together. We spent a lot of time together going running, going out for breakfast, watching movies. However, I realized that we talked about his interests never mine. When I would see other couples being affectionate I would feel sad and wished for that connection. I always thought he just wasn't that affectionate. His parents are very cool. He was also so busy I figured he was tired. As well, he was depressed. The first time in his life. He told me himself he was depressed. He was not doing nearly as well as before in his career. But I guess he really didn't love me for a long time as he says. I just wish he had been honest with me the times that I asked him if he was happy being married or about how he was feeling. I wish he didn't give me card saying "all my love forever, I'm so glad that through these rough times that we are together". It was such a shock.

Thanks for the encouragement. It made me feel better.

Happy Mom

Tracey said...

Hya girls

Happy mum i know what you mean about the cards with i love you forever, i also received these cards and i used to receive texts where he put this. My ex even had my name tattooed on his forearm in big letters he was that sure we would be together forever. Well looks like he has egg on his face now ha ha.


Well girls i am off out again tonight wearing my new clothes, feeling good and confident i am loving my new life. I do what i want when i want brilliant.


Love Tracey

Shine said...

Ah yes, the cards and emails that said "I will love you forever..." What to do with them? I no longer get them out and look at them to try and convince myself that he meant it. My husband also used to talk about having my name tattooed on his arm, but he never did. I bet he's glad he didn't now, and who knows? he may have simply been trying to earn brownie points.

I have just had a lovely social night with a male friend who has also recently separated - nice company and great for the ego!

colleen said...

Hi Girls
Glad to see such positive outlooks with you all. You go girls!

I'm 10 months down the line, looking back there were times when I felt so empowered, revamped my wardrobe, went out a few times. Now I find I am avoiding people for no reason and have withdrawn completely. My friends are all there for me, but I want to be alone.

I'm sure this is natural as I have a lot of worries. My brother took me to the beach today which I needed. I have absolutely no interest in any man. I feel that my trust has been destroyed forever, so I will continue to live through my wonderful boys and try to survive this process.

I wish he had been truthful 2 years ago, but then again everything happens for a reason and in its own time.

love to you all
Colleen

colleen said...

One more thing - talking about cards - yeah, got those too. Also in October for my 20th anniversary, received enormous bouquet with card attached - saying what a wonderful wife I am with all his love. Wanted to take me out to dinner which I refused. Meanwhile he was screwing around with another.

They are sick and devious and lets not forget cowardly.

Tracey said...

Hya Girls

Yes it is a confidence boost for a man to find you attractive and pay attention to you.

What we have had done to us makes us feel that we are worthless and unwanted, but having a man show you attention proves that the cowards we married have stopped seeing us for the beautiful women we are.

So go out there and make yourselves feel better, just dont jump before you can walk. Love them and leave them.

love Tracey

Anonymous said...

Tracey and Shine, glad to hear you ladies are moving forward. have fun:)

I'm thinking of you Colleen. It will get better. One day at a time. Once you get that mess sorted out you will be done with everything and won't have to think about him.
Wishing you peace and strength,

Happy Mom

Shine said...

Dear Colleen,

You were married a long time and you have been betrayed for another woman. You will take a long time to heal. It's natural for you to feel the way you do. Only time will help you heal, and the process is painful. Walk with your pain while you feel it, and enjoy the times when you don't feel its presence as much. Thank God for the good times! We don't need to fear or conquer our pain. We hurt because we love(d), and that is a strength. We need to keep coming back to the fact that we can't afford to depend on anyone else for our happiness. Of course we want others to love us, be faithful, forgiving, committed etc, but if they aren't, we need to find another way to be happy. Some people find this in themselves, others in God - but other people are always going to let us down. All we can do is be the best we can be, and be thankful for what we do have. I have found this song to be of great help to me; I have the words on my wall at work:

http://www.lyricsondemand.com/j/jimmyeatworldlyrics/themiddlelyrics.html

Love and peace,
Shine

Anonymous said...

Ladies, I'm starting to feel normal. I am realizing that his behavior is his and in no way any responsibility of mine. I am starting to understand that I am not to blame for his cheating that he would have done it regardless of anything in our marriage. If he loved and respected me he would have tried but instead he was waiting. I am also starting to realize that if he doesn't know what he had in me that it is his loss and I truly believe he will eventually feel that. What a foolish man.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

I received the new cel phone bill with her number all over it. While the kids are with him he still has long conversations with her. 35, 45, or 1 hour. I've talked to this girl. I never wanted to sit beside her at events because she is a moron. My son, without knowing his father is seeing her, said she is a real weirdo, way over the top. What could he possibly talk to her for so long and so often.

Tracey said...

Hya girls

It looks like we are all moving on with our lives. Who would have thought this with how bad we all felt at the time.

Time is a great healer, we will all move on and find happiness with another one day and think what losers our ex's where.

Not all men are cowards, spineless, selfish liars.

Just be happy that we are not with these men any more.

My children are becoming happier which makes me even happier, my life is relaxed and fun again. Friends and family are telling me how good i look and how much happier i look. So he did me the biggest favour.

Keep smiling ladies we are all winners in the end, it may take time but we all will get there.

Love Tracey

Shine said...

Hi friends,

It is great the many of us are feeling better about ourselves and our situation. I have been doing well lately, can see a future for myself and my daughter without him, and have had the opportunity to support others in a similar situation, which is a good feeling.

My husband has been around twice in the last two days to mow etc. I told him I want to put the house on the market sooner rather than later, but he is slow to do things to help. I try so hard to be kind and loving when he's here, but I'm still hurt and it shows in my voice sometimes, especially today. I am looking forward to the time when I won't have a reason to see him at all. I also want him to discover how it feels to not see me at all. I think we would all like them to realise what they have lost. When I am feeling good I feel sorry for him, but when he's here, I find it hard to cope. It is easier to be forgiving from a distance. I hope that with time I won't experience the hurt that results from loving and not having that returned by someone you thought loved you.

God bless.

Anonymous said...

Hi ladies,
I'm not sure what to make of my situation. My husband hasn't officially "left", he just doesn't bother to come home. We have been married for almost 14 years (in April) and have 2 children, ages 14 and 11. Over the last few months, he has been increasingly distant, non-communicative, and absent in our lives. He says he is going out of town for work, and will be home on Tuesday, but then he doesn't show up until Wednesday night. He stays out all night and comes home when it's convenient. I try to talk to him, but he refuses. He also refuses to return our phone calls and texts, often saying that his phone died. Last night he didn't come home again. I haven't heard from him at all. I really, honestly have no idea where he is. I feel abandoned and alone, and that he has already made his decision to leave us, but is afraid to tell me. My kids wake up several times throughout the night, pacing, wondering where their father is. He doesn't see how this is killing us. I've tried to explain to him that he can't be a member of our family only when it's convenient to him. He offers no explanation as to what is going on with him, only saying that he won't talk to me because I become so angry. I am angry. I'm angry that a married man refuses to talk to his children and his wife. Why does he get to live like a single man? I've always been the stay at home mother, while he has been the bread winner, and it scares me to be on my own, with no money, security or even health insurance, and I feel like the loneliness and uncertainty just might do me in. Any advice on what to do would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

megan said...

hello...in response to your comment i can only say two things--first, i'm sorry, i know how hard it is. and second, do you have a passion? if so, go to school and study it so that you will be in a position to earn a living doing something that you love, if need be. if you don't have a passion that is a viable career choice, find one.
if he eventually leaves you will be prepared to earn money for the family, and if he doesn't you will have something to do that is for you and about you. it might be that you would come to a place where you valued yourself and your life so much that you chose to leave, or that the joy and confidence you will feel when immersed in your passion will re-spark your relationship.
do something meaningful for yourself to take control of your life.

Anonymous said...

Hi Anonymous,

Sorry about your problem. We've all been there in some shape or form so we fully understand the confusion. In addition to Meagan's great advice, it wouldn't hurt to see a counselor of some kind and as well find out your rights. I don't know where you live but there are women's support systems (eg. YWCA) set up to help with free legal advice and to go over options with you. Find out what is available in your area. This is not to say that you would ever need it but it is empowering to know should anything come to light that you have your ducks in a row. You will feel more secure, that you hae a choice. I hope your situation works out and that you can live peacefully.

Wishing you the best,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous,

Of course its your fault because why else would he do something so terrible?(Sarcasm) Mine has been miserable for 8 years. He's tried so hard all this time. He denied having an affair but said he doesn't love me and hasn't for a very long time. They say the same thing all the time. It is a defense mechanism to justify their behavior to you and to himself. If you look back in these posts you will see my situation. It is devastating but you will feel better. I suggest you have him tell the children that he is leaving, not you. Why should you have to, it isn't your choice. He must be made to feel the reality and responsibility of what he is doing as soon as possible. Make sure you have sound legal advice concerning the house. Divorces aren't that quick so he can hold his horses while you get yourself together. You will feel that is a bad dream for a while. You've been through a shock and that is why you need time to regain your composure and you will. Don't make decisions until you do.You'll see you will feel stronger. It won't take long and I suggest you keep seeing the therapist as often as you can. Even two. Sometimes they have different ideas. They can also explain what is going on in his head. Believe it or not it is a common phenomenon and is quite explainable. If you tell your family they may be of support for you as well. Take care of yourself. Do special things that you like to do. Enjoy your kids. Working out helped me immensely. It is a great stress reliever. I don't know what I would have done without it. Know that we understand your terrible shock and check in for updates.

Wishing you peace and strength,

Happy Mom

Shine said...

Dear Anonymous,

Take your time. Everything I've read and heard says that you shouldn't make major decisions while you are still in shock and trying to cope with the full force of what has happened. Your husband has made his decision to leave, but you are totally in control of what you do. He has no right to pressure you into anything. If he can't afford to move out he should have thought of that before.

Remember, he is also riding high on his emotions at the moment. It is well worthwhile putting forward your own terms and see if he's willing to be reasonable. I had a very strong expectation that my husband would continue to pay half our mortgage, subsidising me if necessary, because our financial commitments were based on both our incomes. I didn't believe that he could treat his income purely as his own just because he had decided to leave! Even though he is not legally bound to do this, he has because I felt strongly about it and he evidently had some moral feeling (or guilt?)left. Good luck! It's good that you have a well-paying job. Let this thought encourage you when everything seems black.

Don't try and think about or worry about the future. When you feel stronger (it will take time but it will happen) you will be able to start thinking about the future. You are right in just taking one day (or even one moment) at a time.

I was dreading telling my family but a friend encouraged me to do so and even though I am not close to them, they have been very supportive. Blood really does run thicker than water.

My husband is still doing inconsiderate things like taking a real estate agent through the house to appraise it when I'm away without checking with me, but thank God the end is in sight. I have just had a great time away on a conference, went dancing and am enjoying spending time with friends. I am seeing my husband more objectively now and can finally envisage a happy future for myself without him in it. I still think it's a shame he didn't want to face our issues and work through them, but I can't do anything about that. One day I hope to meet someone who practices honesty, communication and commitment, but next time I am going to be very, very careful.

Anonymous said...

Hey Colleen,

How are you doing these days?

Happy Mom

tracey said...

Hi everyone

I hope you are all trying to move on with your lives and staying positive.

My life is looking up i feel like i have control and no one is dictating what i do. I am going out with friends and enjoying myself.

Friends and family are all comenting on how happy i am looking these days. I feel wonderful and cant believe that it would be posible to be happy on my own. Well it is, lifes is what you make it, so take the bull by the horns and take your life back.

Keep looking forward girls and 1 step at a time is what gets you through.

From a happy and contended single mum.

Love Tracey xx

colleen said...

Hi Girls
Looking back over the postings, it is so rewarding to see how many of us have moved on. From the initial shock to acceptance and strength.

Tracey, thanks for thinking of me. My situation is still the same. He is psycho. Stopped all monies, even food for the boys and our domestic's salary (she has been with us for over 18 years and is a friend), even stopped the gardener. But I am somehow managing. Tells me to stop being a martyr and "deal with it", then invites me to dinner the next day - insane! obviously I did not go!

I do not know yet if we have to sell the house, so I am busy painting and sanding. Took my boys away for Easter in my new caravan and have booked again for the end of the month. I even managed to drive it on my own. My caravan is the best purchase I have made. It feeds my soul - picking mussles on the beach, watching the sun set over the sea - I come back with rewnewed strength.

Am still waiting for a court date to sue him for maintenance. I look at him as weak and pathetic. Every time he knocks me down, I get up again with more strength. Every ugly e-mail he sends me, goes in my file. He is empowering me more and more without realising it.

The best advice I can give anyone is to save money that no-one knows about. This is what has kept me going.

Remember the rock placed in our lives, we can stumble and fall or use it as a stepping stone.

all my love to all
Colleen

colleen said...

Dear Happy Mom
Reading over your posts - I also looked at other couples and missed that connection, and him always being too "tired" for me. We have a lot in common.

How are you doing? Are you coping financially and emotionally?

I am truly happy within myself, despite my horrendous situation. I have my children and my animals and am keeping myself busy.

It's 2am and my nightmares are no longer about "them" but being left homeless. How on earth can they treat us like this when we have done nothing wrong. It is beyond my comprehension.

love to you
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Hi Colleen,

Financially, things are O.K. so far. He gives me the money that he makes and I pay the bills (like before). However, I do think he keeps back a certain amount. He is great with the kids. He spends more quality time than he ever has. My neighbor even noticed. Our daughters are best friends. She just told me that her husband is having an affair as well. Same reasons,"I don't love you the same way, I haven't for a very long time, you rejected me sexually". I said, do they read this stuff from a script? It's life with kids and mortgages to pay. Respect your wife. They are seeing a therapist so hopefully all will work out. I am fine. I am feeling much happier. I kind of like the idea of not having to deal with my husband's personality(he is still my husband technically). He can be critical and crabby. He also in the past couple of years has become very controlling. To drive him home from work he would tell me which street to turn at all the way home even though we had been driving that route for years. I used to say "what's wrong with you?""It's just that I know the best way to go" he'd say. So now he does the groceries(so he controls the money and what we eat), He cooks 2-3 times a week (so that he can eat here)I'm happier so I can be around him much easier now and he stays respectful. I have freedom. So for now, my kids are happy, he is being O.K. and I have the freedom to start meeting male friends which I hope happens soon:)Life is strange. I am however concerned that when it comes to the divorce, things will change. I have been instructed to absolutely stay in the house. That the kids have the right to live the same standard that they were living before. Once reality hits that he is out on his own for real(he only took his "essentials" like he was going on a vacation)and his fling is no longer new and exciting, he is going to hit bottom like he has never seen. He has no one to blame but himself for his actions. Then it won't be pretty and he might get nasty. Somehow, If he is not with anyone and I am the one seeing someone(he's never in 18 years had to think of that)I don't think he will be as cordial as I am. As another neighbor put it, "B, if you had done to him what he did to you, your head would not be on your shoulders". So we'll see. I am so glad to see that you are enjoying yourself with the kids. They do bring us such joy. I feel such a connection to you and the other women here. This has been a source of strength for me to realize that this happens all the time, in very much the same way, and that it wasn't just me and because of me. I hope that your situation gets worked out well. BTW, Your son that was having difficulty, is he O.K. now?

Happy Mom

colleen said...

Hi Happy Mom
My youngest son (14) seems to be ok, he has not cut again. He has no blinkers on where his father is concerned and seems wise beyond his years. He would rather go without than ask his dad for anything. My oldest - 18 in 10 days time, is the opposite and uses his dad to his advantage. I had to have a serious chat to him as he keeps saying I have changed and he doesn't like it. So I have told him in no uncertain terms, yes I have changed and he needs to deal with it. He does not help around the house, I do everything, from mowing the lawn to washing cars with no help. He is forever critisizing everything I say or do. I have had enough. Told him I don't know of another woman who goes out, buys a caravan, learns to drive it for the sake of giving her children fun holidays.

He is used to the mom who quietly bakes the cookies, always has nice dinners ready and is there 24-7 for them. I am still that person but now my dinner menus have changed as I cannot afford to do roasts every night. I now smoke in front of them and am more ascertive in my personality. I need to put my foot down as he needs to step up and take responsibility.

I received my draft papers from my advocate yesterday for my maintenance application and feel sick to my stomach that I have to be reduced to such a low level in trying to get monies out of him. It is so wrong. My legal costs are huge - I will be faced with a minimum of 3 days in high court to get what is rightfully mine.

Girls out there - we all need to watch our backs. As soon as finances enter the proceedings, they change for the worse. Keep every bit of evidence. Till slips for everything you spend - file them every month - you will need them.

I watched Dr. Phil the other day - very interesting. It was about men who want to get out of their marriages - now is the perfect time to do so due to the recession. So the wives land up with nothing. Be careful! Insist on future earnings if you can!

I am busy stripping oregon doors in my house to restore them - I sat on the damn heat gun yesterday and have a sore behind! Wish me luck.

love to all of you
Colleen

Shine said...

Hi ladies,

All the best with your financial settlements. I have lost thousands of dollars since taking up with my husband (who brought only debts into the marriage), but right now I just want to finish up this part of my life and start again, even though I am no longer in a position to buy and will have to rent instead. I will have some money and will just keep living one day at a time.

It is an effort to see or communicate with him at all now. He ranges from being super nice to being self-absorbed and lacking awareness of what is appropriate and considerate. What should I do when he emails me and wants to know how everyone is and whether he can catch up with my son who is visiting for a few days from interstate? I don't want to be mean and ignore him, but given that he doesn't want to be part of our lives as a husband and stepfather, I'm not keen to continue a 'friendly' email relationship in its place. I want him to know what he's given up. I can't wait to move to a home unknown to him and continue my life without him in it. I am still hurting and I don't want to be bitter. I hope that with time I will be able to have a friendship with him, but it's not possible yet.

It's great that you are feeling comfortable to be yourself without worrying what other people think, Colleen. You are an inspiration!

colleen said...

Hi Shine - thanks for the kind words - we all deal with moving on in our own way. Thanks to Megan for being able to chat to each other and we realize we are not alone going through this.

I'm told via friends that I've had an affair - in my dream perhaps? Oh well, for the time being I'm keeping a sense of humour.

Mine is doing the same as yours, treating me like a dog yet wanting to be included in the family arrangements - they made their choice. We had no choice in this and have been forced to make the best we can for the sake of our children.

I would start ignoring the emails. Mine was stupid enough to vent to me in writing - all in my file! Make sure he does not know about the money you have.

I may too have to rent - I'm living one day at a time - without him - in happiness.

love to you all
we

Anonymous said...

All,

I posted last week about living in Europe and my husband leaving me and my 2 kids....

I have just checked back on this blog and the strength you ladies have really helps me. You are in a better place than me. I hope over time that I find happiness.

My husband refuses to sleep at our house. He says he is going to a friends. I believe him. Am I so totally stupid? My friends here and even my mother say he has a girlfriend. Why am I so blind?

He picks the kids up from school and brings them home and feeds them most days and I get home from work around 6. He is always in such a hurry to get out of here after I get home. What is the big hurry? Tonight, I had to ask him to say goodbye to our son who watched him walk out and didn't know where he was going. I end up having to lie to the children about where he is. It is so unfair.

I see a lawyer tomorrow to try to figure out where I stand. I don't even really know what my rights are.

I am tempted to take my kids and run. I often find myself thinking 'if I had to leave tomorrow, what would I take'. These kind of thoughts really put perspective on all of the crap I have that I thought was important. Really, the only thing that is important right now are our passports and some photos.

I am exhausted. I feel abandoned. He is such an ass hole.

He did tell me today that he would let me take the kids to the US this summer. Thank God for that.

Good luck to everyone.

Sunshine
(a name I made for myself...withing I lived in a place where the sun shines...wanting to get back to California)

Anonymous said...

Sunshine,

Your husband should tell the kids that he is leaving not you. A really good book is Runaway husbands by Vikki Stark. You will feel better after a while. You'll see. Good luck with the lawyer. Let us know how it went. Having the information will help you strategize what you need to do for you and the kids.

Peace and Strength,

Happy Mom

colleen said...

Dear Sunshine
We all know exactly how you are feeling right now. Yes, in all probability he does have a girlfriend - sorry that this hurts. The sooner you find out, the quicker you can heal.

Mine has been very cruel to me. On the 14th June it will be one year since he told me he does not love me, it took me another 6 months to find out there was another woman which had been going on for 2 years. While my instincts were telling me something was "off" he was so believable, so I was in a terrible state. My friends and family were as shocked as I was to find out. I wish he had been truthful in the beginning as emotionally I was taken way back.

Yes, we have all gained strength on this site, but remember we are more along this path than you are. It is a long and hard road. There will be times where you want to die, times when you cry for nothing - even in supermarkets. The worst feeling in the world is when the one you love casts you aside. You will move on in time, I promise you.

I am happy in myself and am not even contemplating another man in my life right now.

I gave myself a makeover when he left, that gave me comfort for a few months, then I was back to square one. So I did another makeover with my hair, I go from blonde to brunette to blonde - who knows - maybe pink next? Get a sense of humour if you can. Everything I have learnt to do around the house with repairs has empowered me. If you can laugh about sitting on a heat gun - your'e there!

Remember no matter how your friends and family love you - no-one feels your pain except you. Ask for your protection each day and try start the day positive. It is NOT easy.

Go in Love and Peace
Colleen

Shine said...

Hi Colleen and all,

It's true that the path of grief is not always smooth and onward going. People said there would be good days and bad days, two steps forward and three steps back, etc. As I prepare to move house in a few weeks I am becoming so sad and disappointed again, facing up to what I have lost - my husband, our home, our dreams, our future. I stay up too late and then am tired so it all affects me so much.

Back to what my therapist told me, I guess - look after yourself (bedtimes, exercise, eat well), make time to do something you enjoy and find relaxing in the busyness of full-time work, parenting and packing, and remember that there are loads of other people in the world who are worse off than me and try and help some of them. My head tells me to find some perspective in all this and trust that things have worked out for my benefit, but boy it's hard to feel that sometimes! It's such a struggle to build a strong self-esteem in this! One day..one day..I will be happy on my own and feel that I can make a difference in this world without needing to be in a relationship with a man!

God bless.

Anonymous said...

All,

Just an update from Europe...

I have been to the lawyer and the therapist all in one week. I am a bit overloaded with information.

The lawyer...a Swedish lawyer. Basically, if he files for divorce, I am really screwed (regarding custody and financially). She suggests I get him to sign an agreement regarding what we would fight about during a divorce because I have assets in the US that he can take if he wants. She explained the process, so I feel a bit better. Knowledge is power. I will now seek advice from a US lawyer. I am also legally married in the US. That may end up helping me.

The Therapist. My husband went with me. She got him to say that he is willing to work on the relationship and take the separation slow. Then, I interupted and said...what is your plan? I can tell that you have been planning this for a long time (he says he has been unhappy for 5 years). Then he says that he wants shared custody, he wants to be my neighbor??? and everything will be so easy. Is he smoking crack? (I shouldn't joke about that...maybe he is). The therapist reminded him that his plan is opposite what he just committed to doing (working on our relationship). She said, do you have any intention of trying to work things out..he said NO. BUT, he needs money from me. I said no.

He did agree that he is depressed. I asked him to get help. The therapist suggested he needed medication. He said no.

This is all so exhausting.

He is so sure that if he just doesn't live with me that all his problems will go away.

I asked him yesterday why he was so mean to me but so nice to everyone else. He seriously is such a nice guy. I don't even know him anymore. (he didn't have an answer)

My friends and my mother think he has a girlfriend. I am trying to find out, but I am getting nowhere.

Every day continues to be a struggle. My mom arrives next week. We are going to Greece for 8 days with the kids to sit on the beach. I really need to get away.

I hope everyone is well.

I am finding it so hard to eat. I think I have lost 15 pounds in the past 5 weeks. People are starting to notice and it just makes me sad.

Sunshine

Anonymous said...

Hi Sunshine,
Sorry to hear you are having a hard time. If it is any comfort to you, they all say the same thing. They've been unhappy for a long time, they don't love us anymore, we've rejected them sexually. The amount of time they have been unhappy, or as mine said "miserable", usually corresponds with the age of the kids. Where he was depressed before about his work situation, now he says he was depressed because of our relationship. Funny, he has his freedom and he looks more miserable than ever. My friend and sister both commented that he looks horrible. If it was because of me than he should be happy now, right? He also changed. Doesn't call any of his friends back and is like a completely different person. Mine was a different person when he was home. Always angry with me. Jonesing to get out of the house like he needed a fix. Insensitive to the fact that I was devastated. I pushed him out and he changed immediately. All of a sudden reality hit. No more running to his private getaway for his adrenaline rush. He has been more respectful to me and spends much more quality time with the kids. When we would have words, he apologized. I don't remember the last time he did that. He spends so much time here, I don't know how he isn't fighting with her. Better he fight with her and I'm here in a good mood. No more wondering and worrying. What ever happens, happens.
What are the laws like there in regard to custody and alimony if you do find out he is having an affair? Does it go more in your favor or not make any difference?

Good luck to you and know you are not alone. Apparently it is the worst year ever for this kind of thing. Don't worry you will be fine.

Happy Mom

colleen said...

Hi Girls
Sunshine & Happy Mom - isn't it bizarre that we have all been told the same story from different parts of the world? Blah blah - not happy - let's dump the wife and kids - no conscience. Well, they will ultimately be the losers. We are all learning to live again while they will sit on the outside looking at what they gave up.

Sunshine you are so right - knowledge is power, so you do all you can to equip yourself. You go and enjoy the beach, I find it restore's my strength. Also, you need your mom. My mom is my guiding light and strength.

Mine took the boys for the weekend and I told him I would be out so they need to take all they need. Well, that didn't work - came back twice on Satuday - once for a rugby ball and once for more clothes.

I am trying to stop him popping in all the time. If he has them, then there should be no need to keep popping in. It is disrupting for me. I'm wondering if he does this to keep "tabs" on me. I do sit at home all the time but he does not need to know this.

I have decided as he is not giving me any money, then it will be better if he takes them every weekend, although I have not said as much. I don't want my boys to think I don't want them around.

Happy Mom - you are right - this is the year for men to walk out. Here is S.A. there is so much of this going on. The recession must have something to do with this.

I heard yesterday that however long you have been married - you need to wait that amount of time before you get married again - so clearly there is no hope for me - 23 years time my only hope will be someone attached to an oxygen tank!

love to you all!!!!
Colleen

colleen said...

Dear Shine
I think the hardest to accept is that our dreams and family as we know it have been ripped away. We cannot get our heads around it. Why did they feel the need to do this? I do not believe that any of them have been soooo unhappy for soooo long - it is all an excuse.

It is awful having to pack up a home which you once shared to an unknown future. We are all with you and share your pain. Even though we feel we are living someone else's nightmare - reality is - this is happening to us. We have to move forward.

I have had jaw and teeth pain 24/7 since June last year. I clench and grind my teeth every night. I get colds all the time. I am tired of feeling exhausted 24/7. We cannot escape from our dreams of uncertainty but we can keep busy to keep ourselves sane.

All my love
Colleen

Shine said...

Hi ladies,

Oh boy - we were choosing a real estate agent to use to sell the house today and he raised the issue of property settlement. He went from calm discussion to swearing and other verbal abuse in the hearing of my children within five minutes when he heard I was expecting to receive more than 50% of everything. It was awful! He stormed out and abusive text messages followed. Later he sent an apology of sorts by email and said he wanted to delay selling anything until he received legal advice.

I had heard that men can turn nasty over money matters, but this is ludicrous. I brought all the money into the marriage and then some! I wrote back saying that I wanted the property settlement to be negotiated through our solicitors. I responded to the rest of his email (complete with fresh accusations)lovingly but firmly.

This has really shaken me, but I am pleased that I have persisted in doing the right thing by him. He's carrying a whole lot of negativity about me in his head but I know that my words and actions since he left have been above reproach.

Thank you so much for your encouragement, Colleen and everyone. Each day a new challenge! I am going to be so strong by the time this is all over! I am definitely NOT getting involved with a man beyond friendship for a very, very long time!

Colleen, I hope the uncertainty gives way to a new life for you free of him very soon. My thoughts and prayers are with you all.

colleen said...

Dear Shine
Now you have the Jeckyl & Hide character - do not, whatever you do, put anything in writing that can implicate you in any way. Keep his e-mails and sms's. You are going to need them.

Mine should have his court papers for interim maintenance by next week - I am going out of town to the beach for 4 days - he is going to go ballistic. I am nervous but I have to follow through what I started.

Good luck to you. You are in my thoughts.

love
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Well today I found out my husband of two years wants a divorce. We have an 11 month old son. I know that I am not perfect and I have my issues, but I never thought he would just give up and walk out on us. I feel like a failure to my son. He will now have to grow up with divorced parents. I know in my heart I did try. He was a very unemotional person to me. This destoryed me inside and turned me into a very miserable person. I tried to reach out to him many times. Every time I needed him and told him he turned his back on me. He would say I am not going to be there for someone who is a *******. You name it he called me it. It made me feel like the worse person in the world. I know I may have been a diffcult person at times, but isn't everyone. How could he just walk away. I don't understand. How am I going to explain this to my son when he's older. In my heart I love my husband so much. I never thought he would do this to me. I never felt so much hurt in my life. We have had our fights, but not like this. He was honest when he told me he wanted a divorce and then he walked out and left. Left me to deal with everything alone. I don't know where to start

colleen said...

Dear Anonymous
With a baby perhaps you are feeling overwhelmed and have been acting out of sorts - perhaps you are depressed. A baby is enormous pressure on a couple. I suggest that you and your husband go and see a counsellor to discuss your situation. Or even your doctor.

If you have been difficult as you say, he is probably sick of the arguments and nit-picking. Your baby will pick up your stress and behave out of sorts. A couple should never fight around a baby or children. They do pick it up.

Lastly, try and save your marriage, it is still very new, you are probably young and can turn this around.

I believe a couple should always treat each other with respect - without respect you have nothing.

Go in love
Colleen

Anonymous said...

The arrival of a baby is a big adjustment for a couple. It changes your dynamic. You are probably sleep deprived and feeling like you don't have his help. He probably feels like he doesn't have his friend and lover. However, names are never called for and are a line that should not ever be crossed. As Collen said you should try to go to counseling with your husband. If he won't go, go yourself. Try to work it out. If you can't, consider yourself lucky you are getting away because if he is already calling you names it won't be long before you have no self esteem at all.

Take care of yourself and your baby. Good luck to you,

Happy Mom

Shine said...

Dear Anonymous,

You are right in saying we all have our weaknesses and faults. It is up to all of us to accept the other person and not give up because they aren't perfect enough for us. I hope that with counselling you and your husband will be able to work through your differences. It may simply be a matter of the two of you dealing with the changes and demands that a child brings to the relationship.

Communication, respect, commitment - these are necessary for a marriage to thrive. What is really important to you in a marriage? Does your husband share these values? If not, you are probably better off finding out now than in 10 or 20 years time and ending up with the same result.

All the best. I hope things work out for you.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

Where are you?

I know this is a difficult time. If your husband doesn't want to try, let him go for a while. Find strength on your own.

Are you near your family? I am sure they would help you.

Talk to your doctor and try to get in to see a counselor.


My husband has told me that he wants to financially separate, not live together, but stay married for now. He thinks we can have the kids 50/50. Right now, he sees the kids about 10 hours a week...hmmmm...is that 50%.

He finally gave me a detail list of all the bills he pays (I have never paid bills here...where we live in Europe). So, I have more information now. It isn't as much as I thought. (I din't know why he is complaining:) )

We are going to counseling again on Friday morining.

He still refuses to get help for his depression.

One day at a time.

Shine - I thought you had to split the house 50/50. Isn't that the law? Are you asking for more? If so, good for you. You deserve it.

You husband sounds like mine...he has a grand plan...he just won't tell you what it is and when you object, it is the worst thing in the world. hmmm...a bit of his own medicine. They don't like it very much.

Stay strong! and, fight. What do you have to lose at this point?

Sunshine

Shine said...

Hi Sunshine,

Because my husband came into the marriage with nothing but debts (which I covered) and the fact that we were only married for 6 years, I can claim most of the settlement. My solicitor is very firm on this and thinks I'm being more than generous with my offer, so I am satisfied that I am being reasonable. I think it is sad that men think that being 'empowered' equates with being aggressive and having everything on their terms. That is not my idea of being empowered at all. He claims he has made many sacrifices, as if this was something out of the ordinary. It should be the hallmark of marriage!

Thanks for your encouragement. Good luck with the counselling. It sounds like your husband wants to 'stay married' as a backup plan and yet be financially and physically single. I sincerely hope things work out for you. One step at a time is the only way.

Anonymous said...

Shine and sunshine,

My accountant told me and so did some others, that if the kids are with you then the house isn't 50-50 but a higher percentage in your favor since you house the children. The children are also supposed to maintain their standard of living. In my case I have 3 kids. Why should we have to sell the house and the four of us live in a smaller (probably 1 floor duplex)while he alone??? gets to live in the same? All because he changed his mind. Sorry, I'm ranting again. I get irate when I think of this foolish man and his checking out of responsibility.

Peace ladies,

Happy Mom

colleen said...

Hi Girls
Thanks Happy Mom - that's great advice. I wonder if that rule applies here.

I find it amusing that has moved from a very upmarket luxurious 3 bedroom, 3 bathroom apartment to a "smaller and cheaper" 2 bedroom 3 bathroom apartment in the same complex, but still has the same luxurious furniture, ie: plasma screens, leather lounge suite, etc. and tells my boys he is "renting" the furniture!

And - he still wants half of what I have. My advocate is going in very hard. It is going to be a long process for me. Right now we are going for interim maintenance which means he has to pay for everything until the divorce is finalized. My papers will be lodged with the courts next week.

How he can live with himself at what he has done to us is beyond my comprehension.

He has spent his whole life building a family and business - now he has thrown it all away - even lost interest in the business.

love to you all
Colleen

Shine said...

Dear Colleen,

Like you, I have lately been spending a lot of time thinking about what my husband must be thinking and feeling, hoping (i suppose) that he is or will be feeling remorse for everything he has thrown away. I even find myself wondering what he will do with his share of the settlement. I have decided all this is futile. I need to simply start again with what I end up with and focus on my future, not his, my positive feelings about what I have done, not what he has done. I know that I don't want someone in my life who is verbally abusive and out of control when he can't deal with his emotions. I can't wait until I don't have to have anything to do with him, and then I will try and not think about him at all.

I hope the interim maintenance works out - it should make things easier, and hopefully give him a sense of accountability. God bless.

Anonymous said...

Hi Ladies,

Well, my husband told me tonight that he can't make it counseling tomorrow.

I will go by myself. I need all the help I can get.

My mother made it here, so I will have some help for the next few weeks. She keeps asking 1000 questions that I can't answer. She wonders if he is coming over and when...I remind her that he doesn't live here anymore. She can't get it in her head. She suggests we should go out on a 'date' on Friday night. I almost laugh.

He finally showed me how much money he has been paying for all of our bills. It was less than I thought. I have been giving him money each month that covered over half of what he pays, plus, I pay for all of the food and clothes, etc for the children (we have separate accounts...very european). When I showed him how much I paid he went into a rage and was screaming at me in front of the kids. I calmed him down and asked him to reflect on his reaction. I told him that I only presented him with the facts in a very business like manner. That is how I act at work. That is how I communicate at work. How does he want me to communicate with him? no answer. Why does discussing facts have such a negative effect on him? Is it bacause I know the facts now? And, the facts lean in my favor?

I reminded him that we are not best friends anymore. That this was not my choice. That this was going to be difficult and that this was just the beginning.

I keep asking him what he wants in life...he only wants money from our apartment to buy his own small apartment and live a simle life by himself and have the kids 50% (1 week with me, 1 week with him). That will SO not work for me. I haven't told him yet.

And, so, my mom was sitting here crying tonight asking me how it could be that he doessn't miss the kids and want to see them....I have no idea. Men are idiots.

We should all fight for as much money as we could get.

If the men only knew how stong we all really were. We will all make it through this, somehow. And, lawyers all over the world will be a little bit richer:)

Nite!

Sunshine

Tracey said...

hya girls

Been a while since i have been on, read the posts that have been put on.

Shine u are so right men do not know how strong we women are.

I am having the time off my life right now, no man telling me what to do when to do it etc. Feeling like you must put your husbands first, well know we dont have to its time to put ourselves first for a change.

My boys are ok they feel better knowing their mum is ok and happy.

As for my ex he hasnt seen the boys since he left, to go an enjoy himself, he as now found a replacement for me good luck to her she will need it.

Its ironic that im the one having fun and he is tied down yet again ha ha. Thats why we are stronger we dont need a man.

Love Tracey

Anonymous said...

Tracy,

You are right. Good luck to those women who believe our husbands. Any man who would lie to and betray their wife and mother of their children will absolutely do the same to the women they lied to be with. They are not thinking with their heads... or at least the head on their shoulders:)
As my older male counselor said, they get caught up with the sex. It is an extremely strong pull. It is biological and changes their brain chemistry. Once they are out of the house, reality sets in. The chemistry lasts 6 months to a year. Then it is just another everyday relationship. Some men terribly regret what they have done others move on to something else. I also read an article by an other woman. She spoke of the "true love" that they both felt so strongly. How the married man told her how unhappy he had been for so very long and how mad he was at his wife for letting the relationship go. He finally left his wife. Once he did, instead of being angry at her he started to feel bad foe her because she was so devastated. He felt he had to be there for her to help with the kids. This started to cause problems with his new "love". She said they fought with the same fierceness that they "loved". She is not invited to anything because no one will have her around. It is going on three years that they have been together and they will be marrying after his divorce...you notice he is not divorced yet!!! So you see this woman still thinks she got her man while really he is still a lying cheater. What they do to us they will do to the next.

Peace and Strength

Happy Mom

colleen said...

Hi Girls
Shine it is so damn hard trying to explain what has happened to others, when you don't understand why yourself. Mine spoke to my best friend and also my sister just after he told me in June. He told them how much he loves me and it is so sad we have grown apart and he would do anything to make it right! So naturally all were very concerned about us and wanted to help. As time past, it grew obvious that he had no intention of resolving his issues. It was all a lie to be with her.

So Shine, I am very glad you went to see the counsellor on your own. Far more productive. Mine just sat there saying the same thing for 7 months - I love her but am not in love with her - there is no other woman. I am also pleased that you have the upper financial hand. Your mom is old school and simply cannot understand what he is doing. This is going to be very frustrasting for you. Rather meet with him away from the kids in future. By reminding him that this was his choice - they simply don't seem to hear your words. I have been through this a thousand times. His reply is always the same - we have done this. I still dont get what I have done. I gave him the perfect marriage.

I don't agree with shared parenting (1 week each) it is too disruptive. So, if need be, I will fight that one as well.

Tracey - you go girl and enjoy life! He's made his bed - let him lie in it.

Happy Mom, your words are true, the pull of sex has most definitely changed his brain chemistry - where has the man I knew for 23 years gone? - peace and strength to you!

So girls, I am off the the beach today for 4 days, I will be relaxing (pity weather is awful). I allowed him to take some of his deceseased parents things. He even took my sugar spoon for petes sake - a sugar spoon!!!!! So I definitely need my sense of humour to be restored.

love to you all
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Hi Ladies,

It is so nice to know that I am not in this alone.

So, my husband didn't show up for counseling this morning. I was there alone. It was nice. Our counselor apologized for always talking to him and not me when we were there together, but she realizes that he is the one with all of the issues and the inablitiy to speak about what really matters. She says she is trying to get information on the table so that I can make informed decisions. Makes sense.

She says nobody leaves a realtionship for no reason. My problem is that I don't know the reason. She promised me it would reveal itself in time. (everyone thinks it is a woman...I am still not sure).

He has such a clear picture of what happiness is. She and I bouth laughed that his vision could never be a reality. I just need to let him get to this 'place' and realize that for himself.


My mother is here from the US and he is too afraid to come over here and face her. I am so embarassed. He is such a child. So, to see the kids today, he went to their school and daycare to say hello.

My counselor says that he is trying to emotionally split from me and every time he sees me he is reminded that maybe this isn't what he wants. She says that I could probably 'guilt' him into staying with me and living here, but that he would never be happy...so, let him go. Start closing doors. Re-arrange the house. Put all of his stuff away. Create my own space with good energy. So, that is what I am trying to do.

It is all exhausting.

As the ash cloud has moved away from Europe, it looks like I will be siting on the bech in Greece on Sunday for a week:) I got confirmation today that our flight will be leaving as scheduled. I can't wait.

I hope everyone is finding the strength the need to face the day.

Sunshine

Tracey said...

hya girls

Just thought i tell you about what ive been told today.

My x has moved in with a women she is older,very dirty,messy and her home smells.

He is saying he is happy but he isnt, he has had to take what ever he could.

This is very sad that a man who has been used to a clean tidy home is living in such a state.

Me on the other hand havent looked back after the first few weeks, ive lost three and a half stone (1 ball and chain), my friends and family tell me that i have a glow about me these days and i havent looked happier.

I have been to a party i was dreading due to the fact it was all married couples but i was absolutly fine had a very good time, you dont need a man on your arm to feel complete.

When you first split from your husband you can not see a future for yourself but believe me there is one for everyone so once you have mourned your marriage pick yourself up and start living again.
My boys are happy and content, we av a few blips but that is to be expected.

From a happy and content
Tracey

Anonymous said...

Thanks. I'm glad I'm not on my own feeling like this! 25years; together since 15yrs old, two beautiful children, girl 13, boy 11. Ditched because of depression bought on by dealing with finances. Constantly reasuring the kids it's not their fault. I hope there is light....
Thanks.

colleen said...

Hi Tracey
Sorry that you are having your face rubbed in his affairs. Mine also went from a "perfect" wife and family to an "undesirable" - took me completly by surprise.

Well, I am back from the beach - even took a further 4 days, was on my own and has been the best thing I've done. I managed to get some strength and direction back.

Just keep an eye on your boys - remember my youngest cut himself last year? Well, my 18 year old seemed to be coping but last night in an argument with his father he punched a door and has broken his hand, telling his father how he is hurting us all. Boys battle to talk - they bottle everything inside. So I will need to take him for counselling before it is too late (he refused to go previously} According to my research it is years before the children deal with divorce and are always left with scars.

Otherwise I'm glad you are sounding positive. Once we make the decision we can live without them, we can move on.

love
Colleen

Shine said...

I totally agree. After my husband's violent outburst I finally realised I had my limits. I went to a seminar last week with my professional peers and left feeling like a capable and confident woman who doesn't need a man to feel good about myself. Then I went to a dinner with about 10 older, single, intelligent people and had a great night. It was liberating not to be part of a 'couple' and maybe feel like I couldn't fully be myself. I also feel more able to be me without worrying too much about what other people think.

I have to see my ex this weekend as he's coming around to mow etc, but it seems he's on his best behaiour since hearing from the solicitor. We'll see. Even though I'm feeling good about my situation, I'm looking forward to the day when that chapter of my life is fully closed. Hard to believe I'm saying that after only 6 months!

So glad to hear you had a relaxing break, Colleen, and that you are feeling so good about yourself, Tracey. God bless!

Anonymous said...

Hi Ladies,

I'm glad all is going well. We've come a long way. I still have my moments but when I look back to where I was just 4 or 5 months ago, I'm not the same person. Then I took all the blame on myself. I'm studying family life education. I thought that I should quit because I couldn't keep my own family together. I also thought no one could compare to him and he's so smart. Now I believe that with my experience I can properly help out other families. That in fact I have more going on in my life in the way of being of use to society, far more than he does. I now feel what he does is childish and egotistical in nature. As far as blaming myself, I still have a problem with that however, but I now think... he gets a girlfriend then throws away his wife, friend, and mother of his children like I never meant anything to him these 18 years. What the he** is wrong with HIM. As far as no one comparing, it is easy to beat a disloyal, disrespectful, lying, cheater. I have been enjoying the kids, enjoying working out, and enjoying myself. Some people started to run with me once a week. Last night we were 11 altogether. Some of them want to go out. They want to help me find a man:) They are much louder and more boisterous than me. It should be fun. I am socializing more now than any other time in my life and am enjoying the strength of women. Even on this site it is through us sharing our stories good and bad that helps me realize that these things happen but people get through them and I can too. So thank you ladies for your friendship and comfort.

Peace and strength,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Happy Mom,

Glad to hear you are doing so well.

You are really an inspiration. You are way ahead of me and I hope to be like you....some day.

I was able to get away to Greece for a week. I started sleeping and eating again. Was able to really have fun with the kids.

..and, now we are back and I have to deal with my husband again. I have stopped eating and have started taking sleeping pills again. It is awful. He poisons the energy around me.

He creates so much stress in my life.

I still struggle to understand why he is doing this. He still lies to the kids every day. He sneaks out at night and sleeps somewhere else.

I am just taking things day by day.

I always hope that tomorrow will be better. So far, that hasn't been the case. I will continue to hope.

Sunshine

Anonymous said...

HI Sunshine,
part 1
I'm glad I inspire you but you must know I am very up and down. One day I feel like I am actually happy about this situation the next I am down. I find the anger the hardest to deal with. That he has what we had when we first got together, the passion and excitement of a new relationship and the free time to enjoy it, while I am alone and grieving. There is something just so wrong about that after him doing something so terrible to me. As well I understand the draining of energy you feel. That is what happens when ghosts are in your midst. I say that in jest but I have said from the beginning that my husband as I knew him has died and in his place is this stranger, who so badly disrespected me, who comes into my house to see the kids. It has the feeling of a bad dream. I now try to think of it as he is still and will always be around, we just have a different relationship. The lying to the kids I find hard too. My nine year old keeps asking me if I cheated on daddy. He says he thinks he can prove it and even tried to trick me into admitting it. He loves his mommy so much and thinks she's beautiful so he can't fathom that it would be the other way around. I have had to explain a number of times that I would never do that and that it was Daddy's choice not to be with mommy anymore, that I am very sad about it. I have to tell them this because I don't cry in front of them and I now understand that all they see is that I put their father out and he is living in a little apartment. Then there is my oldest son who was told by his father that we aren't together because we grew apart and he doesn't love me anymore; forgetting completely that I made him leave because he was having an affair. BTW the dread-locked tatooed girl, 15 years my junior, is in the kickboxing class that my husband teaches and my son attends unaware. I asked in a round about way if she attended and was glad to hear that at least my 16 year old son thinks she is a weirdo who is way over the top. However she probably talks to him without him realizing her role in his father hurting his mother and having to leave his house.

Anonymous said...

part 2
I feel like we should be on the Jerry Springer talk show, My husband has cheapened and dishonored our family. I am in a constant mix of anger, sadness, anger. I work out every day and this has been my life saver. I am hungry all the time, I sleep pretty well and I'm in the best shape since before kids or maybe ever. I will feel better and better and you will too. It is literally 2 steps forward 1 step back. Once you get used to the pattern you will be able to take the bad days and let them be bad knowing that it will pass and you will come into better days. Your husband has to decide what he is doing and then be straight forward with the kids. Him not you. He has to take responsibility for his choices and he has to feel what those choices do. You have to think about what you want too. Is it that you don't want him to go? This up in the air thing is taxing on you. When I confronted my husband back in November asking about an affair he denied it stating that he didn't love me anymore. I knew he was cheating and I would not allow him to go sleep with someone else while he lived under the same roof as me. My professor who is a counselor said to push him out that he probably hasn't thought about what he was doing. Sure enough he tried not to leave. I had to really push to get him out. They like to keep their foot in the door in case they want to come back. Meanwhile we are in pain. I forced his hand and now I sleep better than when he was up in the attic sneaking around. He is much more respectful of me. As well once he is out in reality the sneaking about looses it's appeal. It is no longer an escape but the real thing with consequences. I hope you are able to get it all sorted out soon. I know it is so hard and it takes a long time to heal. It would help if he were truthful but you should take some comfort in that none of them are. They are the cowards who cannot face up to what they are doing like a grown man. That is another area that I have a hard time is the self blame. We have to remember their actions and conduct define them as individuals not us. There is no excuse for deception and half truths to the mother of their children. Be well, sleep well. Take care of yourself. Do things that make you happy and take your mind off him. Socialize. A lot.
Let us know how things go.

Thinking of you,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Out of curiosity, have any of the women from the original posts have any news? Meagan, Brightside etc...
Any news on what their exs are doing. Are they still with their new toys or have they moved on?

Anonymous said...

Happy Mom - thanks for your kind words and support.

We are in this weird 'in between' place because he needs money from me. He is waiting for me to get some papers from a lawyer so that we can separate 'legally' and 'financially'. I haven't done this yet for a few reasons. Mostly, I am waiting for some advice from a specialist lawyer in the US. I should hear back from her on MOnday.

I have told him to get an apartment and just sub-lease something. He says that for now, he is staying with a friend. ugh. Whatever.

What I really struggle with is the 'why'. Why can't he talk about anything, why did he leave, why is he lying.

SO, I have stooped to a new low. Really low.

I bought some spy software and installed in on our home computer. I can log in from my work computer while at work and see everything he is doing.

He still picks up the kids 4 days a week, so he is in the house for a few hours almost every day. He rarely pays any attention to them. He is always on the computer or playing chess on his cell phone. My therapist calls this emotionally disconnecting.

I will let you know what I find out. I feel bad about doing this. It is so out of character for me, but I am desperate.

I am going out to a concert on Saturday and he felt like he couldn't ask me where I was going (I only told him that he needed to take the kids and that I was busy). Finally, yesterday, he asked me what I was doing. I wouldn't tell him who I was going with. Funny how he will never tell me where he is or who he is with, but he still wants to know everything about me.

And, the drama continues...

My plan is to put up with his shit and be nice until I get him to sign documents that protect my assets. Then, I will kick him out of the house. Then, begin the custody battle. He has no idea what is coming.

...asshole...

:)

Have a great day, everyone!

Sunshine

Anonymous said...

Good for you sunshine. That word "asshole" has been in my head for months. It describes them simply and completely. I knew when I was thinking too much when I said it out loud while driving, them realized my son was in the back seat. Oops:)

Happy Mom

shelliemonster said...

My fiance left me and our three kids tonight for the second time in a week. I am in so much pain. I cant see a better future right now. I hope he can fix whatever broke inside him and find his way back to us though. I love him so much.

Anonymous said...

Shelliemonster,

I'm so sorry to hear that. It's so terrible but know that you are not alone. We've all been there and are holding our own. I know personal friends who are in better places because of this very thing. Did he say why he was leaving? Take care of yourself and your kids,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Shellimonster,

I am so sorry to hear about your situation.

How old are your kids?

Try to hold it together for them.

Where does he go when he leaves?

My therapist says that people almost never leave relationships for no reason. If you figure out the reason, maybe you will have more understanding. I know you really want him to come back. Just make sure you aren't setting yourself up to be left again and again.

There are alot of us in your situation. It is really hard.

Try not to cry in front of your kids. Hang in there!

Sunshine

colleen said...

Hi Girls
Just got back from an AMAZING weekend with the girls - my sister's 40th in a game reserve - not that we even took a drive to see any game - we were far too hungover.

We were in hysterics all weekend - my sister did a strip tease and fell in a back flip over the back of the couch with her jeans around her ankles and nothing else - well apart from the fact she could have killed herself - not that anyone truly cared as we were laughing too much!!

I realized that it has been so long since I truly laughed and enjoyed myself with not a care in the world.

Happy Mom, it is soooo wrong that your kids cant know that he is the bastard - be patient - it will reveal.

Sunshine - he has forced your hand into doing this. I know how you feel about being forced to stoop to his level - but remember this is his doing - not yours. You need all the evidence you can gather - be nice to the asshole all the time so he does not suspect a thing.

Mine told my boys over the weekend that a) he is not seeing "her" anymore, but other women as friends. b) he is giving me money. c) I wont "talk" to him (re divorce issues). d) he tried to come back but I wouldn't let him.

They are hurt about other women, but see through his lies - they have evidence that he was with "her and her family" for easter. They know he is giving no money, that he never tried to come back. He is digging his own grave. My boys see through his repeated lies.

love you all
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Colleen,

Thanks for the understanding on my kids not knowing the truth about why their father is out. My oldest son(16) and I have a very close relationship. He tells me everything. He always has. I wish so badly that I could tell him this because he knows her and we could have a good laugh together. I'm sure he will be flabbergasted though. He would be so surprised that his father would do this. As well his father had told him that he doesn't love me anymore; but he is with this? Time will tell.
Your weekend sounds like it was a blast LOL. That's great!

Happy Mom

colleen said...

Okay Happy Mom - here goes:
When he moved out in August and told the kids WE had grown apart, I covered for him by saying: Dad loves you guys, but just needs some time out for himself. They hurt so badly.

In December when my 17yr old told me about his suspicions re: another woman and a secret cell phone, I gathered my evidence, once I was sure, I sat them both down - 17 & 14 and told them he had left for another woman and why I was divorcing him.

Although they were upset, they were able to understand why he had left. This definitely made the world of difference for them. I will not cover for him anymore - he is still digging his own grave and they see him for what he is and will protect me to the end. By lying to them again this past weekend, saying he has no contact with "her" - well, the eldest has seen the photo evidence himself just 2 weeks ago (his doing, not mine). In fact he is with her as we speak as he has gone on a "business trip" for 4 days.

I believe your son is old enough to know the reasons why. Our children are more mature than we give them credit for. My 14 year old has dealt with this so much better since I have been open and honest. He goes to his dad without complaint, but prefers being with me. My eldest is not interested in him for his constant lies.

Hang in there my friend - you will know what to do.
lots of love
Colleen

colleen said...

stDear Happy Mom - one more thing:

My boys and I have developed a GREAT sense of humour about our situation.

Last Tuesday I filled up my car with petrol and my petrol card was declined. So, not only does he give me no money, but has stopped my credit card and now petrol card.

What did I do: Well, I simply left my car at the garage with the keys, told the owner the situation and some lovely man insisted on giving me a lift home. Phoned dickhead when I got home - told him what I had done - he went ballistic about everything, from money to me leaving my car there - I said: Well, from now on, you will have to fetch and carry the boys.

Within 15 minutes he fetched me, we went to the garage and he paid for the petrol - Oh, how cunning a woman can be! My boys saw the funny side of their mad mother - I've told them I will not allow him to bring me down and nor should they.

We now laugh at his antics to get at me.

lotsa love
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Colleen,

Love the story about the gas. Good for you. I was just thinking about the gas in our car....we share a car (yikes!) because we live in the city and only really need one.

I now drive it to work every day. It is almost out of gas. He will take the car on Thursday and drive the kids to his brothers house for the night. I don't want to fill it up with gas because he will just use all the gas (it is a 2 hr drive each way). Isn't that awful. I should mention that gas is 5 dollars a gallon here.

Still, I have never been so bitchy. But, I don't care.

Happy Mom - I am laughing about the girl with the dreadlocks. What is your husband thinking? You are very mature to not tell your son. I would be so mad. I would have trouble keeping my mouth shut.

I have now hacked into my husbands email account. It was so easy...I just warn you all to watch out and change your passwords all the time. He uses Hotmail, but I could have done it on any account.

Anyway, there is not sign of a girlfriend. In fact, most of his emails are from me. It reminds me that he doesn't have that many friends.

I did see one email where he tells one of his guy friends 'hugs and say hi to your family'. This is a translation to English...still...OMG, is he gay?

And, tonight, he is home. He is going to spend the night even though I don't need him to and didn't ask him to. I realized he 'snuck' his laundry into the machine and has it hanging in our guest bathroom to dry.

Hope all is well with everyone.

Sushine

Anonymous said...

Hi Sunshine,

Dreadlocks and tatoos no less. Not to mention when we attended outings with others from the gym she was always there. I never wanted to sit next to her (i had once)because she was such a moron. He is a very intelligent man. I can't for the life of me figure out what they talk about. The records show that they speak constantly when they are not together. How did you get into your husbands e-mail. Did you have to know his username to do that?

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Hi ladies,

Here is a good link about affairs;

http://hubpages.com/hub/Why-Affairs-Dont-Last


Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Happy Mom -

To get into his email, I loaded spy software on our home computer. He still comes here almost every day and when he is here, instead of playing with the kids or contributing to life in general, he is on the computer.

I have wondered what he was doing.

This software tracks websites and keystrokes.

He was in the living room, on the computer. I was in the bedroom, on my laptop, watching everything he was doing.

Based on the keystrokes, I got his email password.

I didn't find anything worth talking about. No sign of a girlfriend or anything out of the ordinary. But, I will keep looking.

Sunshine

Anonymous said...

Hi ladies,

Mother's day really did me in. He had them over night. I asked to bring them earlier on the day and he said I should have told him in advance that he was going to his sister's (not for mother's day really, they don't celebrate). In any case I said he should have thought of it after all everyone knows it is mother's day. We got it sorted out but what upset me is the ongoing amnesia about the last 18 years. OK, I know we're not together, but I am still the mother of his children. It is the disrespect and total disregard for what I have been and still am. All I can think is "what the hell is wrong with him?" How can you love someone, live with them, and have children with them then just because he starts something with a new girlfriend, carry on like the last 18 years didn't exist. That is exactly how he relates to me, like a stranger. It is the most bizarre phenomenon I have ever experienced. I was doing well but I'm coming up to the 6 month mark since our talk in the car. Between that marker and the mother's day thing I have had a set back and I'm mad at myself for it. On the other hand it feels more like it is really over so it is probably all part of the process. I spent some time going over phone records, which sounds weird when your down, but I like puzzles. It helps me put things in there place. As far as I can see he must have started with her in some form around July or August which would explain my feeling something was not right. By October and November I was in full detective mode with a pretty concrete sign on November 2. November 23 I asked him. Having figured that out and seeing how often he talks to other girls (I say girls because they are all in their 20's)(he teaches, they are his students) I just think he is pathetic. What is wrong with him that he needs so much attention. I was getting upset thinking of him taking her out. They sure will attract attention. Then I thought I wonder if the sight of them will scream out "midlife crisis". Hard to say. Anyway at least now that I have put a time line on things I feel better and it makes me not want to see his face or have anything to do with him. I actually feel like the last 18 years didn't exist.
Good night

Happy Mom

colleen said...

Dear Happy Mom
Sorry for your set back - unfortunately there will be many more. They are NOT the same person we thought we knew - it is now up to us to realize that were DO NOT want this new person in our lives. We can be happy on our own. Their new girls/women are more than welcome to them.

My latest news: My eldest (now 18) broke his hand last week Wednesday. His father was having a full go at him for failing his exams so badly (how surprising that he failed) and my son cried out and said "You have no idea how I am hurting and what you are doing to this family" and punched a door, and ran away sobbing.

This is so out of character as he is a gentle boy. I am taking him to see my psychologist tonight. What has pushed him over the edge is that he found photos of his father with her and her kids on 23rd March. His father has told them that he does not see "her" anymore, but other women now as well. Also told them that I am seeing other men - well, they know that is pure lies.

I am more bonded than ever with my boys as I know the pain they are in. I have instilled a sense of humour in them about our situation. It's all about moving forward together with truth and honesty.

love to you all
Colleen

shelliemonster said...

In answer to some of your questions. He left me because he says he is unhappy and isnt in love with me anymore. He used one of the excuses that he isnt physically attracted to me. (lame).
My kids are upset with him, and upset I am upset. My youngest is *our* child and she is only three I get asked daily many times, when her daddy is coming home.
Where does he stay? heres the doozie. With a friend of mine, or someone I thought was a friend. Shes 21, has a 15 month old, is a whore, and lives with her grandma. Thats where he is staying now.

He claims that he persued her after he left me. I dont get it though, he says my few pounds have made him unattracted to me, but this girl is 5'1" and well over 300 lbs. She wears a 24 for crissakes. No offense to anyone that does, but Im almost 5'10" and am a little thick, but I dont think a 16 makes me obese. I need to get back into shape, but guess what, so does he! Ive never let that affect my attraction to him. So he chases after this wreck of a girl, and yes she IS a wreck that has a severe weight problem because hes unattracted to me and unhappy. ok.....

Im getting to my angry stage right now. I still hurt like hell. I have crying jags I cant control, but Im MAD too.

Im having difficulty functioning, eating, and sleeping. Ive lost 17 pounds (seriously) since May 3rd. I havent slept more than 2 hours and I sent my kids to be watched after by relatives for a while.
I do have a prescription for Cymbalta now. I hope it helps me get me through this along with counseling sessions.
Im trying to get through each day as it comes.
I wont lie, I love him, very very much. I dont think he knows wtf he is really doing, and I do hope for a reconcile in the future. I cant cling to that because he may truly not be the right one for me. I will deal with that as it comes.
I also have to find a full time good paying job, so that I can keep my home, my car, and my kids in the same school. Wish me luck. Hell wish me luck getting through today.

Anonymous said...

Happy Mom - sorry to hear about Mother's Day. Men are so insensitive. It is like our needs our invisible to them.

Shellimonster - I hope that medicine will help you sleep. Once you start sleeping again, your head will clear a bit and you can manage to make it through the day easier. It sounds like your family is helping, which is great. I can't imagine why your husband is with your friend. Men are idiots. Period.

As for me, things aren't much better. Last week, my husband was here in the house, sitting 10 feet from me, on the family computer, signing himself up for internet dating. How do I know that? I have spy software on that computer and while he is on it, I can be on my laptop real time or any time and see exactly what he is doing. That makes me feel really great.

He thinks that this has no effect on our kids. Well, our 4 year old has starting peeing in her pants. hmmm...I wonder why.

And, the guy who couldn't stand to be around me has for some reson spent 2 nights here? He doesn't sleep in the bedroom with me, but has decided (without consultation with me) that he will stay here when he feels like it.

I have now hacked into his Facebook account and don't see signs of a girlfriend. I am laughing at is profile on the internet dating sight. I thought for a while that he might be gay, but, he is looking for women.

Like everyone...I wonder how I managed to end up in this place.

Sunshine

Anonymous said...

Shelliemonster,

If you workout you will sleep better, relieve stress, and boost your endorphins. It will also boost your confidence. This was the best thing that I did for myself. Get to a gym at least 3 times a week 4 if you can. I promise you, you will feel so much better. Cardio and weights. Take a workout class and meet new people. It will help you clear your mind.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Sunshine,

They are unbelievable in their nerve aren't they? To actually try internet dating in front of you. Mine I am sure was corresponding with her with me in the same room. To me there is something wrong with them that they would conduct themselves this way. How can they disrespect the mother of their children that way? I truly believe it says something about them as people and has nothing to do with us or our relationships. Good luck to you. Hang in there. This too shall pass.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

So, my husband's birthday is tomorow. 45 years.

I am tempted to just ignore it. Any thoughts?

I will get home from work late as I have a business dinner tomorrow and he will have to stay with the kids.

I haven't bought him a present and don't plan to. I am just thinking about if I should mention the birthday or not.

(the normal me would bake cakes, get gifts from the kids, decorate the kitchen...in general, make a big effort)

hmmmmm.....

Sunshine

Anonymous said...

Sunshine,

Good question. I think it is a good idea for the kids to give him a present. He is their father and their traditions should remain intact for their sake. As for you giving him something, it is up to you. Personally, I will not be giving mine anything for any reason ever again.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

I bought him a gift from the kids...not from me. I let the kids pick it out (a running outfit..he is a runner).

I will have the kids make him a card and that is the extent of the birthday effort from me.

I saw him today and when he is in the room I get so overwhelmed with disgust that I can't even speak to him. I just want him to leave.

I used to be really upset and sad and now, I am filled with hate. I am mad.

I also found out today that while my husband had our kids with him visiting his family this weekend, our 20 year old niece said to my 4 year old 'your parents are spitting at eachother....that is not love'. (this is a translation from Swedish). What? We haven't even told the kids what is going on yet. BUT, her father (my husbands brother) did the same thing to her mother about 7 years ago. I am tempted to email her mother.

This is all so difficult.

I hope everyone had a good weekend!

Sunshing

colleen said...

Hi Sunshine
Well done. You did the right thing by buying him something from the kids - keep your dignity together and show you are the better person.

I got nothing for mothers day, whereas I would have taken the boys to get something small. Anyway its fine - my son made me a toasted sandwich for dinner - which meant more.

It is easier when you hate them as you are more proactive, as opposed to when you are sad. Your anger makes you deal with the situation easier (for me anyway)

I would e-mail the mother, but not in anger, but ask her please to speak to her daughter and to refrain from making comments like that to your children. It is not necessary as they are not aware of the situation and it just upsets them terribly.

Hang in there - keep strong!

love
Colleen

Anonymous said...

A 20 year old said that to a 4 year old? Where is the common sense? It is unfortunate that our kids have to go through this as well. I think I was more upset about the loss of the family for them. I can handle myself but for them to have to not have both parents together and their father not at home I feel terribly about. However, I now think differently in that he was always busy before anyway so they were always with me. Now at least he spends quality time and I have some free time. I hold them close to me so that we still remain a strong family unit.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Colleen and Happy Mom - Thanks for your comments.

He seemed happy that I got him a gift from the kids. I asked him if he had a good birthday and he said..'it was ok. I didn't have a cake or anything.' I wanted to say it was because assholes don't get cakes for their birthdays.

So, yesterday was a new low for me. In the early morning, I was up having coffee and got a terrible pain in my chest that moved down my left arm and I got a flash fever and was sweating. Honestly, I thought I was having a heart attack. I had to call my husband. He came over to take the kids to school. The pain passed after about 20 minutes, but it was really scarry. I went to the Dr. and she said that it was a panic or anxiety attach. She says I am too stressed and I am having an alergic reaction to my life. ugh.

They can happen anytime. Next time, I should go to the hospital. My real problem is that I have nobody to call to help me. No family, no friends really close to where I live. I feel so alone.

It is really scarry.

I am going to try to talk to my neighbors and see if I can ask them for help in an emergency.

Today is a new day and I am tring to pick myself up before the kids wake up.

I hope everyone had a good day!

Sunshine

colleen said...

Hi Sunshine
Well done on getting the gift - you did the right thing - and yes, assholes don't deserve a cake - maybe one in the face that is!

I had the same pains and numbness - went to doc for test - also thought heart attack, but was panic attack. You can feel them coming on - so sit and breathe deeply. I also have severe shingles which come up when I am stressed - fortunately are not visible to public.

Get your neighbours support as I know you will do just in case.

have a great day
love Colleen

Anonymous said...

thanks, Colleen.

I assumed this must have happened to other people. It is just when you are in the moment of an attack, it is so scary.

And...here is the latest news. I showed up at home today and my husband has shaved his head?? He has black hair and now it is just skin with super, super short hair coming out.

I was dumbfounded. I stared at him and ended up telling he looked awful. Like a cancer patient (he is painfully skinny at the moment).

I asked them what they said at his work. He said they told him it looked good. I told him that they lied. It really looks bad.

Needless to say, this pissed him off.

Thanks to the birthday present purchased, he came home today and cleaned the house (not done by him ever...made the beds, did a load of laundry).

I do feel better today. But, there is just so much drama and stress.

Hope all is well with everyone else.

Sunshine.

Unknown said...

I love all of you, seriously. I have been reading this and (slowly) regaining my sanity through your words. My story is the same as any other, frighteningly similar.

colleen said...

Hi Sunshine
How awful - is he trying to regain his youth? Glad you were honest about his looks.

Don't know which is worse - having him helping around the house and in your face 24/7 or my situation being left high and dry with no help whatsoever.

Hi Lexiesmom - welcome - yes, our stories are all carbon copies of each other - tells you something - doesn't it. Talk to us. Share your load - it helps enormously!

Update on me: My eldest has been twice to see my psychologist, is now being put on meds. He is failing at school and lost interest in all his sport including himself. Having a problem with learning as it is, the only area of confidence is sport, which he is first team everything. Hasn't slept in approx. 5 months - again this morning was still awake at 3.30am. This started when his dad stopped all monies. He is very worried. I have repeatedly assured him we are going to be fine, but he is protective of me.

To top it all his dad tells him he is not seeing "her" anymore, but last month he found photos of them together on dads laptop dated 23 March. He is angry and cannot deal with his dads lies as his dad has always been such a role model to him. I have told him to stop snooping, what's done is done, we need to move on.

My youngest is unaware that he is still seeing her, but has lost all respect for his dad. He seems to be coping now and has not cut again - thank God!

We need to watch our kids very very carefully and look out for warning signs before it is too late.

So, once again I have been put through the rollercoaster. Had such bad dreams again last night that I couldn't open my jaw this morning. My jaw and teeth have been in agony for 11 months now with clenching and grinding at night.

But ... I'm still positive. He can take from me but he will never break me.

love to you all
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Colleen,

Sorry to hear about your son. Glad he is getting help.

Today, my husband and I got in a fight over a birthday invitation for our 4 year old. I asked him if he assumed that it was my responsibility to manage birthday parties. He had never considered this concept. So, I said, why don't you RSVP, buy a gift and bring our daughter to the party. He said fine. And he was pissed! So, I asked him why he was so mad all the time...this is what he wanted...to break up, so this is the kind of stuff we need to discuss.

Then, he asked me for money again so he could get his own place. He wants me to buy him out of our house. AND, he wants the kids every other week. He assumes that I will agree to that. I just keep my mouth shut. I will call my lawyer tomorrow.

Then, he says that he doesn't want the kids involved in this. ?? How can they not be. I am tired of lying to them. I think I will have to tell them myself that he has left us. They will be devistated.

He looks to ridiculous with his shaved head. It makes me laugh. I took photos of him in secret just in case I need to prove he is a nut case.

ugh....

Again, I hope tomorrow is a better day.

Thank god for frozen food and sleeping pills.

Sunshine

Anonymous said...

OMG, I just went to my High School reunion last night. We had a get together the night before so we felt comfortable by the time of the event. It was the ego boost that I so desperately needed. I had several guys doting on me all night and being protective when we went downtown afterward. I haven't felt that in many years. They made me realize what I was missing(which is what my husband said about the girl he is having a relationship with). I no longer feel undesirable and that eventually I will meet someone who I like, who appreciates me and who knows how to make a woman feel like a woman. For now I have their contact info and will enjoy their company.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Happy Mom - so great to hear about your reunion! Glad you had such a good time. You deserve it.

So, last week, when I thought my husband was being so nice for cleaning the house (he made all the beds and picked up all the kids various things and cleaned the kitchen), I found out today that the only reason he did that was because he had a real estate person secretley come over and value our apartment. (rolling my eyes).

Because I have hacked into his email, I know he has another valuation that is much lower than the one he just got.

I have been a bit paralayzed with my situation lately, but an now re-energized and have contacted the lawyers to make the first steps official.

Last night he decided to spend the night...just because he wanted to. He gave no reason. He slept in the bed in our son's room (with our son).

I have also decided to apply for a new job that would give me more flexibility. I am going to work on my CV tonight. (same company)

I feel panic attacks coming on all the time, so I have to make some changes around here.

I hope all is well with everyone.

I have a new theme song...Fleetwood Mac "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow'.

:)

Sunshine

Anonymous said...

Hello friends I'm back ..... Cathy here from way back. Since talking to you last I have moved and painted and cleaned and painted and cleaned. I have found a wee apartment in a house for my son and animals and love it ...away from the memories and feel of the ex. The apartment needed a lot of TLC and it got it. i am into court proceedings with my ex and as I said Canadian laws don't take into account the "who done it" They focus on assets. Since he is jobless I will pay ...not yet decided. It is unfair but it is reality and I'm determined that I won't be broken. All I can say is my life is much better without him and a year ago I was a shattered mess. But thanks to a lot of people who loved me .... especially Colleen and our endless emails I feel the light of day. I have tried to catch up with everyone and am amazed at reading the changes and strength that everyone has shown. It is truly inspirational.

I have taken time to do a lot of soul searching. My shame was that I let it go on for so long and didn't see the forest for the trees. I always had hope ... and that's not a bad thing. I believe that it all happened when I was ready and not a minute before.

It amazes me that all the continents are connected by us and we share something very deep and painful and that we accept each other. My God that boggles my mind.

So it's good to be back and in touch. You guys have been in my heart and prayers as all who undergo this issue in their lives.

Take care and blessings
Cathy in Canada

PS Brightside ...how you doing hun ... sending luv your way

colleen said...

Hi Girls
I'm back - ran out of internet airtime, but doesn't seem to affect my emails - thank God for Cathy.

Cathy just made the MOST PROFOUND statement to me which I'd like to share with you all. She said when you have run out of your plan B options - God has plan C.

Isn't that amazing? My court date is 15th June, so hold thumbs for me - I am in God's plan C now.

love to you all
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Cathy,

I am glad to hear that you are doing well. It is hopeful to know that there is happiness down the road. I do feel better in a strange way. I think that we are with people who don't love us right we feel it even if they seem to be doing what they are supposed to. I notice much more positive feedback from others (new friends and old) as opposed to the constant negativity coming from my husband in the way of his criticism. What a drag about the financial situation for you but the way I look at it is that they are dysfunctional in some way, not good people, and that we are stronger. I understand what you mean about letting it go on. I still can't believe that I did not know that he didn't love me. How could I be living with someone and loving them and all the while he didn't love me and was miserable (8 years?) Anyway by reading about you and others who are getting through it and by seeing how far I've come myself in the past 6 months, I know I'll be fine.

Take care,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Cathy,

I am glad to hear that you are doing well. It is hopeful to know that there is happiness down the road. I do feel better in a strange way. I think that we are with people who don't love us right we feel it even if they seem to be doing what they are supposed to. I notice much more positive feedback from others (new friends and old) as opposed to the constant negativity coming from my husband in the way of his criticism. What a drag about the financial situation for you but the way I look at it is that they are dysfunctional in some way, not good people, and that we are stronger. I understand what you mean about letting it go on. I still can't believe that I did not know that he didn't love me. How could I be living with someone and loving them and all the while he didn't love me and was miserable (8 years?) Anyway by reading about you and others who are getting through it and by seeing how far I've come myself in the past 6 months, I know I'll be fine.

Take care,

Happy Mom

TLGeiger62 said...

Thank you for this. My husband left me this past weekend. I came home from a visit to my mother and sister who I hadn't seen in 3 years and my unemployment, self-centered, pity-party throwing husband told me he was "going camping" and needed to "figure some things out" - then I saw the cell phone records and realized he would not be camping alone. It's day 3 and the pain is deep and unrelenting. And I have a job I just got 3 months ago which is what is sustaining my family. I spend most of the day smiling and greeing people (I'm an office manager/receptionist).

I hate him and I think I am going to print this, tack it up and read it every time I think I can't take another step.

Anonymous said...

Hya all

Its been a while since i have been on, my life's is good, im doing better than i would have ever imagined. My ex is divorcing me on unreasonable grounds, ( my friend said this is because i married him ha ha),an im to pay his costs, in his dreams. My solicitor have told him its adultery on his part why the marriage failed and he will have all the costs to pay, an this is what will be in the divorce. Idiots, all men think we will just rollover an accept what they throw at us they are so wrong.

Tlgeiger62

Im so sorry about your marriage, this is a very hard time for you. I know it wont feel like it but it will only get better, an all the sayings like time is a great healer,etc etc they are all true.

If you have read the posts on here you will see that most off our stories are so very similar.

Just remember that you are a strong woman and take one day at a time.

Love Tracey

Anonymous said...

TLGeiger62,

Sorry about your situation. I know it hurts real bad but it will get better. You already seem to have a handle on it. It has a pattern that goes something like 2 steps forward 1 step back. Sometimes a leap forward but almost as large a fall back. Then you get to the point where it clicks that it was he who threw it away. It somehow takes away the blame we place on ourselves. It is his loss, who wants a liar and cheater anyway.

I hope you get all your legal stuff worked out to your liking. Write whenever and whatever you feel like.

Peace and strength,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

TLGeiger62,

Sorry about your situation. I know it hurts real bad but it will get better. You already seem to have a handle on it. It has a pattern that goes something like 2 steps forward 1 step back. Sometimes a leap forward but almost as large a fall back. Then you get to the point where it clicks that it was he who threw it away. It somehow takes away the blame we place on ourselves. It is his loss, who wants a liar and cheater anyway.

I hope you get all your legal stuff worked out to your liking. Write whenever and whatever you feel like.

Peace and strength,

Happy Mom

Misty said...

Hello again my beatiful friends :) Its been a long time since I've been on here and I miss you all!

Hello to all the new women here who are going through the pain that we've all seen. It's hard, and it hurts more than anyone can imagine, but you will get through it. You have really wonderful people on here who have let you know that you are not alone.

Cathy, Brightside, and Colleen, Im glad to see you are all still pushing through and staying strong. I knew you all could. Colleen, I'm glad your son is no longer cutting, that must take a lot of stress off. Cathy, I'm so happy that you are taking those steps back into your own life, it's such a great feeling isnt it? Brightside, I really hope things are looking up for you! Every day I am greaful for this page, and for all of the kind words I was given.

Here it is 6 months since my ex husband left, and Im feeling better than ever. Once the divorce went through I felt like a ton of bricks were lifted from me. I was finally able to get my maiden name back and leave him behind. He has went back to Kentucky which does help. I've had a great support system whos helped to push me back to where I need to be. I'm looking for a second job now to save up money for a car (since I FINALLY started driving!) , and for a place of my own. It's nice being at home with my family but I feel that I'm nearing the point that I can be on my own again. I've dated once. It didnt work out, but it was nice to be out there again. Ive gotten the chance to go out with friends, and I've gotten to experience a lot of happiness. It feels good to be finally finding who I am.

I hope you all keep doing amazing, and always stay strong. I promise to come back more often. If any of you ever need a friend, email me. xokittyiunox@hotmail.com

colleen said...

Hi girls
Glad everyone is moving on - Misty happy to hear you sounding so good.

I've been in high court twice to get maintenance, without going into all the gory details, judge was sexist, biased and the ruling was shocking. I've got nothing. He didn't care. There is no justice. Judge did not take into account that I need to feed my kids. The fact that I have been abandoned in this house was used against me. I have been left with the running costs, judge did not care.

I just want to regain my strength and get divorced now. It has been a year of pain, betrayal and deceit. If all I get out of this 23 year marriage is a house, then so be it.

Onwards and upwards to us all.

love
Colleen

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this. I am reading this at 2:43 am in the morning. My husband left me today and I am shocked but saw it coming. I have three kids including a baby. He cheated, lied and blames me for being the worst, unloving wife. No, I was just busy with 3 kids at 31 yrs old and full time job. I am lost but will find my way. Thank you again.

Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous,

Sorry to hear about your situation. You are ahead of the game if you already know he lied and cheated. We didn't lose as much if we lost a liar and cheater. Anyone can do that. Before this happened to me I didn't realize that this phenomenon had such a typical pattern to it..."It's all your fault, all because of what you did or didn't do". The crazy lying even when he didn't have to. Mine apparently has been miserable for 8 years (a surprise even to his own family). I wish you lots of strength. let us know how it goes and how you are feeling.


To all the ladies (here comes my rant for the day)

They aren't throwing us away even though it is how it feels. What they are actually doing is giving up family life, responsibility, so that they can go play. I can't believe so many men (and some women do it too) shirk their responsibilities. How can you call yourself a man (or woman) and not take care of your spouse and family properly? Adolescents can have sex but it doesn't make them adults, being responsible does. How can so many, so called adults, mistake infatuation and lust for love?
Sorry for the rant. It's just that I'm growing impatient with these juveniles. It's our children who suffer from all this lack of stability. They are supposed to have two caring parents. Often the two have different approaches and the children can benefit from this. It is also less stressful than being a single parent. Both parents focus is their children. When now the two are single they are less focused on the children. left spouse now has to get over the hurt and anger. They must heal for their children. The Most often the one who left for "greener pastures" prioritizes the new "love" before the good of the children. If they are to say this is not true, then why do they only sleep in the same house as them one night a week instead of all seven? Why do they not attend any soccer game that they can, even if it isn't "their night"? Why can the children not stop by their new place any time they feel like it? How is that valuing their relationship with their children? Just the fact that they didn't honor the relationship with the mother sabotages the family unit. Our society has become a individualistic, throw away society, with ADD, to such an extent that people feel justified to not try to fix anything only to jump to the next thing that makes them feel good at that time. It's all about me, me, me and oh, by the way it's your fault I'm doing this. They check out of any kind of responsibility to the point that they don't even take responsibility for their own actions. They are a bunch of selfish ******s

O.K. I feel better now :)

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous,

Sorry to hear about your situation. You are ahead of the game if you already know he lied and cheated. We didn't lose as much if we lost a liar and cheater. Anyone can do that. Before this happened to me I didn't realize that this phenomenon had such a typical pattern to it..."It's all your fault, all because of what you did or didn't do". The crazy lying even when he didn't have to. Mine apparently has been miserable for 8 years (a surprise even to his own family). I wish you lots of strength. let us know how it goes and how you are feeling.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

To all the ladies (here comes my rant for the day)

They aren't throwing us away even though it is how it feels. What they are actually doing is giving up family life, responsibility, so that they can go play. I can't believe so many men (and some women do it too) shirk their responsibilities. How can you call yourself a man (or woman) and not take care of your spouse and family properly? Adolescents can have sex but it doesn't make them adults, being responsible does. How can so many, so called adults, mistake infatuation and lust for love?
Sorry for the rant. It's just that I'm growing impatient with these juveniles. It's our children who suffer from all this lack of stability. They are supposed to have two caring parents. Often the two have different approaches and the children can benefit from this. It is also less stressful than being a single parent. Both parents focus is their children. When now the two are single they are less focused on the children. The left spouse now has to get over the hurt and anger. They must heal for their children. Most often the one who left for "greener pastures" prioritizes the new "love" before the good of the children. If they are to say this is not true, then why do they only sleep in the same house as them one night a week instead of all seven? Why do they not attend any soccer game that they can, even if it isn't "their night"? Why can the children not stop by their new place any time they feel like it? How is that valuing their relationship with their children? Just the fact that they didn't honor the relationship with the mother sabotages the family unit. Our society has become a individualistic, throw away society, with ADD, to such an extent that people feel justified to not try to fix anything only to jump to the next thing that makes them feel good at that time. It's all about me, me, me and oh, by the way it's your fault I'm doing this. They check out of any kind of responsibility to the point that they don't even take responsibility for their own actions. They are a bunch of selfish ******s

O.K. I feel better now :)

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

To all the ladies (here comes my rant for the day)

They aren't throwing us away even though it is how it feels. What they are actually doing is giving up family life, responsibility, so that they can go play. I can't believe so many men (and some women do it too) shirk their responsibilities. How can you call yourself a man (or woman) and not take care of your spouse and family properly? Adolescents can have sex but it doesn't make them adults, being responsible does. How can so many, so called adults, mistake infatuation and lust for love?
Sorry for the rant. It's just that I'm growing impatient with these juveniles. It's our children who suffer from all this lack of stability. They are supposed to have two caring parents. Often the two have different approaches and the children can benefit from this. It is also less stressful than being a single parent. Both parents focus is their children. When now the two are single they are less focused on the children. The left spouse now has to get over the hurt and anger. They must heal for their children. Most often the one who left for "greener pastures" prioritizes the new "love" before the good of the children. If they are to say this is not true, then why do they only sleep in the same house as them one night a week instead of all seven? Why do they not attend any soccer game that they can, even if it isn't "their night"? Why can the children not stop by their new place any time they feel like it? How is that valuing their relationship with their children? Just the fact that they didn't honor the relationship with the mother sabotages the family unit. Our society has become a individualistic, throw away society, with ADD, to such an extent that people feel justified to not try to fix anything only to jump to the next thing that makes them feel good at that time. It's all about me, me, me and oh, by the way it's your fault I'm doing this. They check out of any kind of responsibility to the point that they don't even take responsibility for their own actions. They are a bunch of selfish ******s

O.K. I feel better now :)

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

sorry about all the reposts I don't know how that happened :(

Happy Mom

colleen said...

Dear Anonymous
So very sorry for the pain you are in right now - stay with this site - we will all help you though this terrible time.

Happy Mom - you are right - how much more can we take? I've been really low for 2 weeks since the bad court ruling now I'm picking up again - ready for the next round!

Have to share - but not tooo much - have younger (much) in my life right now - don't know where its headed. One step at a time. But wow it feels good to be appreciated after 23 years.

love and strength to you all

Anonymous said...

Hi Misty ...soooo good to hear feom you. Anon .... I completely understand your pain ... we are all in the same life raft here ... climb in and we will be with you ... we can't take away your pain but we can love and listen you through this. Happy Mom ... you nailed it dead on ... doesn't matter how old the kids are ...it hurts them ... mine have been replaced by his new family and new grandaughter (ouch) ... just like a car battery and just as quick ... am still in the throngs of court ... will still be paying support for him leaving me ...him cheating on me etc etc. My friends and people who love me (hi Coll) keep me sane but I am DETERMINED that I will go on. I now have a special friend in my life ... absolutely friends only .. and I am grateful that there is no other expectations as i am not ready... he too has been hurt ... don't know where it will go ...just trying to live in today ...
sending love and prayers to all ... luv Cathy

Anonymous said...

This happend to me last Friday - my husband left me after 25 years saying that we were more like brother andsister. Most of what you have said in this piece could have been written just for me, and it is true, friends and family are just superb - we should all be graeful for them! This provided god advice and given me some hope - a big thank you!

Misty said...

Happy Mom, I totally agree with what you said. It's sad that someone can walk away from their responsibilities without a care and leave the other person with all of the hurt and baggage. Its just not fair, but sadly enough, it happens. I know, Ive been on the end left with all the pain and unanswered questions and it hurts immensely. You will get through this though, just stay strong. I promise you it will get better.

Colleen, I hope things are getting better, and yes, it is nice to be appreciated. You deserve it. I wish all of the best.

Cathy, it is great to see that you are doing better. I'm really happy that you do have a new friend there for you. We all need someone who can help us through what we've had to go through. I hope things keep getting better. :)

Just found out the other day that my ex husband is getting remarried...already. Our divorce was just finalized in February. I'm okay with this though. I'm much happier on my own, now that I dont have to live with the lies and betrayal. I've dated, and am enjoying being just me right now. I just feel bad for the new one really..she has no idea what she's getting. He lied so much to me that I never knew when he was telling the truth. I'm sure he's telling her all the same lies he told me. He walked away from me, and walked away from his wife before me...this doesnt bode to well for the woman he's chosen now. Good luck to her though..I'm just glad its not me. lol.

Hugs and lots of love,
Misty

colleen said...

Hi Misty
I'm sending you a huge hug from all of us on the site - we've shared a lot together.

Yes, we are all trying to move on - but it still hurts like hell.

So - sending you all the love in the universe and a big big hug.

sisters unite

Anonymous said...

Cathy said .... never never in a million years did I think I could do this ... I shutter to think where I was a year ago ... a broken abused wife ... so emotionally battered ... but today I am proud of who I am and what I believe and ever so thankful for the love and connections that made it possible for me to love me ... and yes I still have dark days and yes I still cry ... but I thank God for what I have and not what I don't have .... my replacement can have him ... all of him and all the lies and manipulations and neediness .... I'm headed elsewhere and I quite like it and he ain't on board so to speak ... Yahooo .... oh ... still in court ... luv you all Cath

Misty said...

Colleen- sending lots of love your way too, and tons and tons of happiness. Honestly, without you ladies on here I dont think I could have made it through the pain the way I did. This was the only place I was able to find solace and comfort when I felt like my whole heart had been shattered. For that, I am forever grateful.

Cathy, I'm so proud of you. When I read what you last wrote I began to tear up. There's nothing in the world like that moment when you realize that you will be okay again. He's a jerk, he doesnt deserve you, and someday you'll find someone who does.

Lots of love.

Anonymous said...

I am so glad i found this site. I have chills from reading your posts because it sounds exactly like what just happened to me 2 weeks ago. My husband of 16 years left my 12 year old daughter and I because he had to "think" and he didn't really know what he was feeling inside. He was confused and needed to see a psychologist. Meanwhile, he is staying in our apartment on the beach, and calls our daughter for 5 seconds when he remembers. I am devastated, scared and don't know how I am going to move on.

colleen said...

Darling Anonymous

"For 20 years you have been the most perfect wife and mother I could ever have wished for and I love you dearly - but like a sister" - those words spoken 14th June 2009 will stay with me forever.

I am so so sorry you are going through this. You may not think so now, but you will somehow find the strength to go on. Remember this is nothing you have done - this is his and his doing entirely. Don't let him throw the guilt on your shoulders. You need to stay strong for your daughter. By keeping strong for her - you will get yourself strong. I found Josh Groban's 2 songs - "You Raise Me Up" and "Dont Give Up' helped me enormously - I listened to them all day and sang along at the top of my voice.

And keep your girlfriends close to you - they will help you through.

Remember, whenever you need to talk - just log on to this site - we are scattered around the world - I'm in South Africa - and we have all walked this road and healed together!!!

This rock that has been placed in your life - you can stumble and fall, or you can use it as a stepping stone.

Go in love and peace
Sending you hugs from all of us
Colleen xxx

tracey said...

hya all

Its been a while since ive been on the site.

Glad we are all moving forward with our lives.

Sorry to hear that others are in the same boat as we where months ago.

I know words dont help much when you are feeling so lost and alone but time is the biggest healer.

When i was told that i thought they didnt know what i was going through but i do know how it feels and that just putting one leg infront of the other took so much effort, never mind working and everyday tasks.

My story was the same as so many of us, my x wasnt in love with me any more but he loved me (whatever load of crap ) needed space etc etc.

Well i have moved on and enjoy my single life to the maximum, go out see my friends when i want to, decide to do things spur of the moment.Go and buy clothes when i want oh and those shorter skirts and very high heels if thats what i want.

Getting rid of my x has also had a positive effect on my waistline an i have lost about 5 stone, due to the fact i dont have to cook unhealthy meals anymore.

So all positive now, life is to live and enjoy they are the unhappy one's not us.

My x as not only lost me he has lost his family because he doesnt like what they say so stays away, him an his new wife are alone and he will do it again to her as well poor women.

With love Tracey

Anonymous said...

Cathy here ... Hello kindred souls ... old and new ... to the new ... my heart aches because I know too well what the pain you are going through feels like ... we all do ... unfortunately but be at peace because you will heal ... slowly ... just like we all are ... I could tell you endless stories about being betrayed and lied to and humiliated ... all I will say is that today it is not happening and today I have my wonderful children and loving people who really care about Cathy ... do I have scars... yep ... a reminder of what was ... it's a part of me but not the total me ... allow people to help and love you ... follow the advice of Megan ... clean your house ... cry ... get mad ... vent to us ... we will listen with our hearts ... sending love and peace your way ... hugs too

Anonymous said...

Thank you Cathy. Your words are comforting. I'm still fine one minute and unbearably angry the next. Very frustrated with myself. The sadness is hard but the anger at being so betrayed by someone who I thought would never do this to me is the hardest. Sometimes I just don't know what to do with it. When I read a post like yours I feel relieved that this too will pass since it comes from someone who has lived it. Others, while they mean well, don't quite understand the shock. My own sister just two days ago said something like "well you let the kids stay up too late. Maybe if you had them in bed earlier you would have time to yourself and have been more relaxed when he came home"(one of my kids was 15 at the time). So I work hard to try not to blame myself and I get this from my biggest support who doesn't yet have children nor is she married. She hasn't even lived with anyone for longer than a couple of months. I try to remember my gut reaction the night we split. Along with the shock, devastation, and the dryness in my mouth that would allow me to swallow, I had butterflies in my stomach. Usually that means something good is going to happen. I had an incredible sense of,"oh yeah, now your going to find out just how important I am to you"" you think others are better...go" So I try to get back to that feeling. It's just that he is steadfast in his decision and seems to feel whole heartedly that this is what is the most important thing in his life. Everyone around him, including his now 16 year old son, is shaking their head in confusion.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

My husband left me after 26.5 years of marriage. Pretty much out of the blue. He's been really stressed the last few months - supposedly from work (he teaches at an alternative high school), our son (26 year old couch-surfing with friends working at a pizza joint a few hours a week), our 6 year old grandaughter who is with us just about every weekend. But apparently he is just "not happy" and doesn't know what he wants. Not sure he wants to be married or not. Seemingly wants to "date" me - golf together, dinner at his appt, etc. Spent about 1 - 2 weeks heartbroken, devestated, practically suicidal - I am not a crazy person, but he makes me crazy. The last week or so just trying to stay busy - cleaning stuff out, shopping, spending time with family. Oh, did I mention he pretty much sprung this on me during a big family trip to Disney a few weeks ago?!? Not sure what I'm supposed to do - date him, call a lawyer, who knows. I just want my husband back. I don't want to be alone. Liked the post about 'no sane person would do this'. What is wrong with him?!? I am a decent looking, nice person with a career (thank goodness!). I just don't get it!!!

Anonymous said...

Any suggestions on what to do when your husband leaves you with the 2 kids when you are already struggling financially, and his leaving will make it impossible to make mortgage/bill payments? Already working full time and 2 kids to take care of........... thanks

Anonymous said...

To both people who signed anonymous,

You should both seek legal advice. There are places that counsel women for free (community centers or YWCAs. Women's shelters as well. Your husbands don't need to know and you must protect yourselves financially. Think of it as prevention more than anything else. As well, and just as important, seek counseling for yourself. The rollercoaster ride you are on or will be on will be more tolerable if you do. It is a way of releasing all your feelings when you can't show them in front of the kids. They also may be able to answer some of your questions. It was through counseling that I discovered that what my husband had done and the way he is behaving is explainable and extremely typical right down to the words and sentences that are used. If you see my past posts you will see what I am refering to. Take care of yourselves. Do for yourselves. Most of all know that you are not alone in this heartbreaking and frustrating time.

Peace and Strength,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Dear Anon
Cathy here ... my heart goes out to you and I understand what you are going through ... I ended up loosing everything I had worked for and I'm still fighting the battle in court. I got through it day by day and often minute by minute and I'm not going to lie to you a year later it sometimes is still minute by minute ... but the important thing to remember is now it is sometimes. I have a roof over my head, food, heat and hydro and my two kids love me ... my animals ... good friends ... and yes my sanity ... do I still question what I did to deserve this after 31 years ... not so much anymore ... I'm concentrating on the things that make me feel happy and that doesn't include him. I used resources in the community like Women in Crisis who were wonderful and I got a counsellor who pieced me back together like Humpty Dumpty and I used this site to connect with women like myself so I would not feel alone and I followed what people said ... get out ... get a makeover ... have a glass of wine ... clean your house ,,, clean it again ... hold your kids tight cause they need you. I wish you peace and serenity and send you prayers ... as always my love to all ... Cathy

Anonymous said...

I can't tell you ladies how much you have helped me over the past few months. Because of your willingness to share I no longer feel so alone and pathetic.
That other people are going through this nightmare too, and coping one day but not the next, helps me to keep putting one foot in front of the other.
You all seem such nice people too.
Bless you for sharing.
Ann

Anonymous said...

I'm having trouble understanding my husband. He texts me regularly, tells me he misses me being near (took a trip with family about 400 miles away), of course wants to talk about sex, etc. I don't know what he wants (I don't think he does either). Not sure to how to deal with it / him.

colleen said...

Hi Anonymous
I had the same with mine. When he moved out, he popped in whenever it suited him - even falling asleep in my lounge. He brought his washing each morning. Still called me "love" until I put a stop to it only 9 months later. I only allowed it for my sons.
I believe although they want their freedom, they can't let us go as we are their security blanket.
You need to develop a thick skin. It was their choice to abandon us, let them deal with their loss.

Anonymous said...

Colleen - thanks so much for the input. It's amazing to know others have had exactly the same experiences. The whole situation is just so difficult to deal with and to grasp especially because of course I still love him. Maybe I'm deluding myself, but I think he will come to his senses and come home in the not too distant future. Who knows.

Anonymous said...

Well done to all the ladies who are getting through and out the other side, but did anyone else feel like just running away. I know my kids are old enough to cope and I don't want to be the sad one, the tired one who was left. I want to go away for a few years or maybe even sleep for a few years and have it all be over and forgotten. Thanks Ann

Anonymous said...

Hi ladies,

Here is a link that I found extremely useful. Please let me know if any of you could relate to theses articles.

Happy Mom

http://www.midlifecrisismarriageadvocate.com/midlife-crisis.html

Anonymous said...

Hi ladies,

Here is a link that I found extremely useful. Please let me know if any of you could relate to theses articles.

Happy Mom

http://www.midlifecrisismarriageadvocate.com/midlife-crisis.html

Anonymous said...

Dear Ann,

I so completely understand you wanting to run away. I have that feeling constantly. I don't know what the reason is with your husband but my husband of 16 years (18 altogether) started an affair with a girl who he teaches kickboxing. My son is in the same class. He refused to admit it at first stating only that he doesn't love me anymore. He has detached from me my family and all of his friends of many years. It is like the man I loved so dearly has ceased to exist. Only this ghost remains. Clearly a once strong minded individual is swayed by the other woman even where his kids are concerned. His behavior through all of this has been bizarre and uncharacteristic of the man we all thought we knew. Unfortunately, with my husband having checked out, I must be the foundation for the kids. He is good about seeing them but it is on his terms. Monday and Wednesday evening until 9 pm and not a minute later even when asked and Saturday overnight. I am thankful that he is spending quality time but it isn't near what he should be doing. I feel tremendous resentment taking care of the house inside and out as well as any household problems while he has his free time with my replacement. I would have loved that kind of free time with him and yes I would love to run away and forget the hurt and anger. I want a break from it so that I can just feel normal again and not be wondering what they are enjoying that I am not. I am told though that this will pass and I will eventually feel normal and that their time together probably isn't the rosy scenario I imagine. The link I sent talks about replay where the husband in a midlife crisis replays his youth. It is to escape their depression that they seek the high from the other woman only to feel worse about themselves and sink lower requiring the ow again. Eventually the ow doesn't do it anymore but it can take a very long time. They've invested a lot when they break up their family so they need the ow more than the average affair. If the link doesn't work just enter it manually.

http://www.midlifecrisismarriageadvocate.com/midlife-crisis.html

Peace and strength to you,

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Hi ladies ... Cathy here ... yes I too wanted to just sleep it away but then there were the dreams and still are the dreams. I wanted the nightmare in life and the nightmares in my sleep to stop ... and they are ... little by little. Yes I do get lonely ... but now I also realize how lonely I was in my marriage.

Ann thankyou for your kind words ... you have given me a wonderful gift knowing that in a small way I was able to reach out and touch someone with my story. It helps turn such a horrible experience into something good and I cherish that.

I wish all well on this journey ... live in today ... love yourself first ... celebrate the fact that we are strong, capable, loving people who will get through this ... love to all ... Cathy

Anonymous said...

To Happy Mom - thanks so much for the website on MLC!!! It was scary reading some of the stuff because it sooooo described what I've seen my husband go through these last 6 months or so. How is it that I recognized his issues as a MLC several months ago but that he could/does? not?!? I almost want to send him the link and scream at him "this is you!!!". The line "Some leaving MLCers tell their spouse they must leave, either directly stating or implying their actions are beyond their control" is pretty much exactly what my husband told me. He said he felt that he HAD to leave - he couldn't explain it, but he just knew in his soul he had to do this to save himself, for his own sanity that he had to do so, he had a desperate need to make huge changes in his life. I think he needs counseling but won't hear of it - "I'm not doing that" he says. Argh! Men!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

Those articles are incredible. I feel so much better since reading them. They explained my husbands behaviour completely. I now believe he is not only having a midlife crisis but a mid life crisis crisis. He is in such denial he hasn't even begun to look at what he has done. If I try to hold the mirror up to him just a little he flies. He hasn't spoken to any of his friends or even my sister who he was close to. These articles hit the nail on the head. Since the beginning of this in November I thought their was something wrong. How could I not see it coming. We have never separated or even talked about breaking up. Later, he didn't call the kids when he went out of town for two days. This was completely out of character for him. He called when not in the hotel room or not any where around her. Not even from the train. I knew then that it wasn't a normal affair. Why would he not be able to call his kids for a couple of minutes around her. He has even lessened his time with the kids slowly and I know this for a fact, is due to their fighting. The article on Emotional Blackmail clarified all that for me. He has never been the type of individual to cow to anyone for anything let alone where his kids are concerned. The other night I spoke to him about the fact that his daughter has been asking him to stay a little longer on the mon and wed nights. (he leaves at 9 pm and never a minute later). He got angry and said that it is better for the kids to have structure blah, blah, blah... Then he came out with "and it makes it hard for me to schedule anything". He doesn't live with them anymore, sees them only m and w nights and overnight on Saturday and it interferes with his schedule if he were to stay a little longer? Says who? I'd like to know. I couldn't believe that came out of his mouth. I told him that I understand if you want structure for the kids but a half hour on a summer night when your daughter is asking, shouldn't be a problem. She must really be doing a number on him. After reading those articles I feel like everything I intuitively knew about my situation was right on. They explained his anger for me. That is what I had a hard time with. Why was/is he so angry at me? I've done nothing but love him and he shat on me, but he's mad? Now when he gets angry I understand it is because I hit a nerve. It is his guilt. He's trying/fighting with all his might not to go there. If I say anything no matter how minor or how diplomatic, to rock his boat, he comes out swinging. I gently hold up the mirror so he can get a glimpse of himself, he fights it, and I step back. Baby steps. I now feel confident to let their relationship leave my mind. It is not a healthy relationship and nowhere near what ours was. It will take care of itself. This is not the man I knew. When he wakes up and takes ownership of what he has done, I don't know what will happen.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

Those articles are incredible. I feel so much better since reading them. They explained my husbands behaviour completely. I now believe he is not only having a midlife crisis but a mid life crisis crisis. He is in such denial he hasn't even begun to look at what he has done. If I try to hold the mirror up to him just a little he flies. He hasn't spoken to any of his friends or even my sister who he was close to. These articles hit the nail on the head. Since the beginning of this in November I thought their was something wrong. How could I not see it coming. We have never separated or even talked about breaking up. Later, he didn't call the kids when he went out of town for two days. This was completely out of character for him. He called when not in the hotel room or not any where around her. Not even from the train. I knew then that it wasn't a normal affair. Why would he not be able to call his kids for a couple of minutes around her.

cont'd

Anonymous said...

He has even lessened his time with the kids slowly and I know this for a fact, is due to their fighting. The article on Emotional Blackmail clarified all that for me. He has never been the type of individual to cow to anyone for anything let alone where his kids are concerned. The other night I spoke to him about the fact that his daughter has been asking him to stay a little longer on the mon and wed nights. (he leaves at 9 pm and never a minute later). He got angry and said that it is better for the kids to have structure blah, blah, blah... Then he came out with "and it makes it hard for me to schedule anything". He doesn't live with them anymore, sees them only m and w nights and overnight on Saturday and it interferes with his schedule if he were to stay a little longer? Says who? I'd like to know. I couldn't believe that came out of his mouth. I told him that I understand if you want structure for the kids but a half hour on a summer night when your daughter is asking, shouldn't be a problem. She must really be doing a number on him. After reading those articles I feel like everything I intuitively knew about my situation was right on. They explained his anger for me. That is what I had the hardest time with. Why was/is he so angry at me? I've done nothing but love him and he shat on me, but he's mad? Now when he gets angry I understand it is because I hit a nerve. It is his guilt. He's trying/fighting with all his might not to go there. If I say anything no matter how minor or how diplomatic, to rock his boat, he comes out swinging. I gently hold up the mirror so he can get a glimpse of himself, he fights it, and I step back. Baby steps. I now feel confident to let their relationship leave my mind. It is not a healthy relationship and nowhere near what ours was. It will take care of itself. This is not the man I knew. When he wakes up and takes ownership of what he has done, I don't know what will happen.

Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

Can't believe I double posted again. Sorry ladies :(

Not so Happy Mom

Anonymous said...

WOW, although I have been in a lot of pain this week, I actually am so thankful for coming across this blog and Megan's tips.... I laughed out loud at some of her lines :)
I have been so sad, hurt and feel like a terrible mom when i just want to cry and let it all out. My husband and I have had issues with communication. Every time i speak with him, if he gives me the time of day, i am hurt by everything. SO, it's time to move on and take care of myself. Thank you to all you strong woman i see on this site, I am so glad I am not alone, this is a difficult road to endure by ourselves.
KitKat

Anonymous said...

26.5 years here.
Last week my husband told me he decided he doesn't want to be married anymore and that in his heart he doesn't feel married. He doesn't see this changing anytime.
Before this even after he moved out I had hope - now there is none. Words cannot describe how heartbroken, devastated and anguished I am. I don't want to feel this way anymore! Any words of encouragement you ladies can give me right now will be greatly appreciated! Oh, he also told me he "loves" some woman on Second Life - claims this has nothing to do with his feelings for me, that he's never met her and has no real plans to do so. She apparently "loves" him too.

Anonymous said...

I am very sorry for your situation. Rest assured that on this site we understand your pain. As crazy as your husband's story may sound to you, it isn't a new one. Online emotional relationships are climbing in numbers and are just as detrimental to marriages as in person encounters. They have an added fantasy like quality to them. Maybe his new friend has nothing to do with his feelings for you but at the same time, how can every day life compare to something new and exciting.
As terrible as you feel please know that you will be o.k. It feels unbearable at first and takes a real toll on your body. I joined a gym and started working out daily(4-5 times a week). This relieves stress, I felt good, and it helped me sleep at night instead of my mind racing. As well, I saw a counselor. This is important because you need someone to talk to who is objective. Friends and family mean well but often say the wrong thing or sometimes say completely the wrong thing which can add to your anxiety. They also bring with them their own baggage that may not be helpful to you.
Check in with us as often as you need to and share or vent. We know what it's like. I've sent a link for a site that has a lot of articles that helped explain my husband's/ex's behaviour (if you read back you will see my own crazy ongoing story). Maybe you will recognize some of you husband's.

Take care of yourself. You won't always feel like you do right now. Wishing you peace and strength.

Happy Mom

http://www.midlifecrisismarriageadvocate.com/midlife-crisis.html

Anonymous said...

I am finding the hardest thing to cope with is that everyone but me is okay. My son now goes to stay with his father more often than he is home. I understand this as I have very little to offer a sixteen year old boy. My daughter is moving out to a new life. I find myself in limbo unable to decide what to do for the best. Still want to run away or sleep. Only your words on here give me hope that I will not only get through this but may even have fun again someday. Many thanks to all, Ann

Anonymous said...

Hello Ann ... Cathy here ... I understand what you are going through. I too found that after being a mother and a wife for 30 odd years I did not who I was. I am still on that quest. Therapy has been invaluable to me. I have begun to appreciate my alone time and am taking some steps to get myself out in the community and do some volunteer work ... ever so slowly. You will always be a mom ... no one can ever take that away from you ... you are irreplacable. Your role is changing and likewise you are. My role as a mum has been to make myself redundant so my kids can navigate in life on their own ... now it is time to recapture me. Do little things Ann ... take baby steps ... it does get easier and yes it is hard ... you WILL learn to love yourself and your beliefs in time ... hang in there ... wishing you happiness for the day ... Cathy

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much Cathy for your kind words. Most of the time I am okay. It is just the days when I feel a small child inside tugging at my sleeve in fear of having to now at this time of life get used to someday soon having to live alone.
I just don't know if I can do it. I always shared a home when I was young because I did not want to be alone. I keep wondering if it is possible to share a home in middle age. I try to imagine the ad, room to rent in slightly odd, tatty but friendly home with a young at heart, middle aged lady. Just not sure who would answer it.
So for now I try and keep my mind off the future and tell myself it's living in the moment and not cowardice and anyway i'm lucky to have a home.
As I say, the adult gets it, it's just the little kid who doesn't understand and doesn't want to, cos it's not fair. Most days the adult wins. Just some days the kids in charge. I hate those days.
Thanks again for taking the time to write and reassure a stranger when you have been and are still going through so much. Who says all angels have wings. Ann

colleen said...

Dearest Ann
Please remember you are never alone, we are all walking the same path and are slowly recovering. Yes, you are so right, the child in us all is consumed with fear at the unknown - all we have ever known our whole lives has been ripped away from us.
One day when you look back, you will see how many fears you have conquered - one step at a time my friend.
You will slowly get there, you will regain your confidence in yourself as a woman and learn to love yourself again. I believe I can not only speak for myself, but many other women who have been betrayed - I am glad that he is gone, I do not miss him and his lies ( I prefer sleeping with my dog) and I can do this on my own - with love and dignity.
This month we would have been together for 24 years and my entire life and those of my amazing sons was blown apart 18 months ago due to his lies and deceit - we are still walking the rocky road but we are doing it with strength, love and unity.
There is a rock which has been placed in your life, you can stumble and fall, or you can use it as a stepping stone.
To all my wonderful friends which I have made on this site - apologies for being so quiet but I have a lot going on with the divorce issues. I am slowly getting there despite his bullying tactics.
Cathy - we have walked a long road together in the last 18 months from opposite ends of the world and look how far we have come - love you girlfriend!
Go in Love and Peace
Colleen
xxx

Anonymous said...

26.5 years here.
It's been about 1.5 months since my last post. Since then my husband went to doc got put on antidepressants which has helped him tremendously. We did some talking and he got the name of a counselor for himself. He said we would work this out, go to individual and couple's counseling, and that he gave up the whole on-line thing (which I believe he did). He said that he loves me, does want to be married, and that we would get back together. Since then we've spent time together (going to dinner, hanging out at home or his appt, going to church together, went away for our annual wining weekend, etc.) and talk or text several times a day. BUT... it's been 1.5 months and there is no real move for us to be back together. He says he can't move home right now (which I am NOT asking him to do at this time). He's not ready to go talk to someone or even give me any indication of when he might be or when he might think about moving back home. I told him last night that we were making no real move to being back together and that I feel alone and on my own right now. He didn't have much to say other than he was sorry for that and that he's not ready to talk to a counselor. Not sure what I want to do, but tired of this "not being together but 'married' situation". He normally calls me every morning so I told him last night he didn't have to call me this a.m. - he asked why not - I said what's the point. The whole thing is stupid because we love each other, enjoy each other's company, and get along terrifically, yet we are not together. Obviously my saga continues - thanks for being a sounding board!

Nancy said...

It is absolutely amazing how many women here share similar stories. When my husband left, I felt as if I was the only one this had happened to and I didn't know what to do. I'm still not sure I know what to do--just taking it one day at a time and trying to do the best I can. In some ways, I want to fast forward time and in other ways, I want to reverse it so that I could make things change before it was too late. Guess I'm just stuck in the present, however, and it's not really a fun place to be. I still care what happens to him; I still want to tell him not to worry, that I understand, and I want the best for him; I still want to shake him and ask him what the heck he is thinking--okay, I want to do that more than the other wishes--but just what the heck IS he thinking? I just want to be by myself...a piece of me has died...I love you but I'm not in love with you...we need some time apart to decide what WE want...you know where I stand...I think I want a divorce...I can't get a house in my name if we are still married...and all I want to say is HUH? Who are you and what did you do to my husband? Thanks for the site, ladies--been reading bits and pieces for several days and have become awakened that this happens more often than I thought--so refreshing to see women feeling the same things I feel. Guess I'm not crazy afterall, huh?

Anonymous said...

Nancy,

No, you are not crazy but it sure feels like it though eh? It turns your world upside down to the point you don't know what side is up. You just have to swim hard not to sink. I don't feel like that anymore but I remember it when I look back. When I feel bad now I look back and remember where I came from and I see how far I've come and that I will feel even better. That is the process, 2 steps forward one step back.

"who are you and what have you done with my husband"? That is exactly how I feel. When this first happened last November (the, I don't love you anymore and I haven't for a very long time, conversation) my husband changed before my eyes. All of a sudden he was a stranger who had no regard for my feelings. I was actually scared. My husband died that night and I was left with this stranger or ghost who was saying things and behaving in ways my husband would never have. It is the most bizarre feeling I have ever experienced in my life. I am getting past it now but I still wake up from time to time shocked that it all happened and that it isn't a dream. On the other hand his bizarre antics and lack of sensitivity actually help me heal. Because of their absurdity I no longer take anything he does personally nor do I blame myself. His behaviour is all his own. As well, many times I have actually had to laugh. For his last ridiculousness... quick review... my ex was/is having an affair with a dread headed and tatooed student in his kickboxing class which our son was/is attending. The new stupidity is that they are both training for a fight(son and girlfriend) so he had our son spar with his girlfriend. My son can't stand her. Can you imagine his mixed feelings and the predicament his father put him in. My logical husband has turned into an ex with no common sense. I keep thinking surely he would have enough sense not to do that, but no, I am surprised on a regular basis. I don't care about him anymore. Now I just worry about the kids and how they will be affected by all of this.

Happy Mom

Nancy said...

Happy Mom,

Thank you so much for your words of understanding. I admit I had to chuckle when I read about your son sparring with the girlfriend. I know it's not funny but I wondered what mental images were going thru his mind when considering his next boxing move on her. What a fine woman she sounds like-the type Mom would be so glad to meet, huh? Yes, a true picture of ladylike gentility, no doubt. (I almost said that with a straight face)

As for my own situation, in a 2-month period of time, my husband went from a loving man to an internet talker (he even bought his "she's just a friend" lady a phone she sent him money to buy--much easier to talk than to type, you see), to renting an apt. 2 days after saying he needed time to think, to wanting a divorce 3 weeks later after visiting a counselor that I guilted him into going to. Every positive, proactive step I have tried to save this relationship has been met with resistance and decisions made ONLY by him that go in the opposite direction from me. Irritates me that he makes the decisions alone as to what he's going to do, but I'm left behind trying to explain why Daddy isn't living with us anymore. I've been walking in a fog for 2 months--couldn't concentrate on anything except the fear he would never come back. I do think, however, that either the Wellbutrin finally got in my system :) or I have finally just opened my eyes as to how selfish and uncaring he has become toward me. No good reason for it--just seems to treat me more like the foe than the wife who has loved him unconditionally for all these years. I feel much better this week than I have since this summer--hello antidepressants! I love you now! I may be a blubbering mess tomorrow, but today I feel good.

Thanks for sharing your own story with me--all of these have been so supportive to read. Makes you feel like anything is possible.

Nancy

Misty said...

Happy Mom,

I am glad you are doing better, and as you said you will keep seing you will be ok. What you said, about your husband changing in front of your eyes...that comment really hit me. That's exactly how it was the night my husband left me. The things he said, the hurtful way he said it, and the look in his eyes was not the man I'd married and gave my hear too...it had become some stranger. I know that feeling all too well.

It's been almost a year (December 10th he left) and I've come to the realization that I'm ok..and that I'm a better me. A year later and I'm doing better than I was before he was in my life. I've been on dates, I've gotten time with my friends, and I've lost 56 pounds! I still sometimes think of him..but when I do, I don't miss him. I think a part of me will always feel a twinge of pain over what he did, but more of because I had loved and was betrayed. I even applied to take some college courses today :)

Hello all my wonderful and beautiful friends! I hope everyone is doing good. I'm sorry I haven't been on here in a while, I've been quite busy.

This page, and the wonderful women on here have pretty much saved my life. I will forever be thankful for the push they gave me when I thought I couldnt go on. You can go on, and life will get better. Don't ever think that you won't be happy or smile again, because you will. :)

I look forward to spending a HAPPY Christmas this year with the ones who love me. :)

Nancy said...

I should have known that when the roller coaster goes up, it comes back down. I did indeed feel like the blubbering mess on Saturday. Husband called to say he was going to the bank to take out half of the savings since he would need to save for his own house. It felt like another punch to the stomach--another big cut he made in the marriage ties. Guess it hit me again that he has no intentions of coming back and I know I should be fine with that after him walking out on me, but I do still miss the idea of being married most, I guess. I spent the day crying and painting the bedroom a color that I liked instead of that bright blue he had picked out last spring. Had a bit of a revelation later in the day that I really didn't hate him (which I already knew) but that maybe I could do what he had been saying for months--remain his friend. We were best friends for years and even though he has changed in his views of marriage, he has not necessarily been somebody I disliked personally. I think maybe we should have always stayed friends instead of become spouses--not sure I was "in love" when we ran off and got married--that came later--but should it have come at all? I don't know. I am missing the companionship much more than the marriage right now--weekends are killers! Have there been any ladies out there who have remained friends with ex-husbands? It's sort of the way I'm leaning (if I can do it the way I want to)--it would be better for me, I think, and definitely better for our child to see us get along and not living in tension all the time. I really don't understand the walking out without trying other things first, although I did find out he's getting counseling now, but I do like him as a person. What are the odds we can go back to a friends status--or am I just fooling myself? I miss the company, the somebody to do things with, the idea that I don't have to ever be alone again--I don't necessarily miss the romance--just the talking. Any advice?

Thanks,
Nancy

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